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Old 11 Dec 2014, 17:06
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Why the users no updates vbulletin 4 to version 5?

Re: All plugins VB4 are not compatible with VB5
Programmers do not update for VB5 users and we can not buy the license Vbulletin5.

Why developers Vbulletin5 not make it compatible plugins VB4 as is the case with Wordpress?

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Old 11 Dec 2014, 17:17
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You are free to hire someone to create modifications for you. Sometimes people just don't want to take their spare free time and update modifications.
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Old 11 Dec 2014, 17:39
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There is not mamy developers that want to work with vB5. So like Lynne said, if you need something codes for vB5, hire someone to code it for you. But there are a lot of thing you can do in vB3 and vB4 that can not be done in vB5.
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Old 11 Dec 2014, 17:47
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Also take a look at this thread on why no one is bothering to convert add-ons to vBulletin 5.
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Old 11 Dec 2014, 21:35
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I dont think that thread really has much to do with the reasons, at least in my case.

Of course, I can only speak for myself here - but from my POV, its simply difficult (or sometimes impossible) to recreate a lot of the functionality that could be done in vB4, because the plugin system was completely removed, and the replacement extensions system is quite limited in what you can do with it.

On top of that, almost everything I wrote for vB3 I did so for my own forums, and then released it here. I ported it all to vB4 because it wasnt very difficult to do so, and despite its early issues, vB4 is still very popular and widely used.

I dont run vB5 (and have no plans to do so) and converting my code for vB5 would mean doing it all from scratch. If vB5 were wildly popular and in significant use, I might have been tempted to spare some time on conversions - but the reality is that its quite unpopular, and little used - there is no incentive for me to use up what little spare time I have.
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Old 11 Dec 2014, 23:11
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Originally Posted by migratoria View Post
Why the users no updates vbulletin 4 to version 5?
Hardly anyone is using vbulletin 5..
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Old 11 Dec 2014, 23:15
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Well that and the fact it is just to difficult to add mods to it, and some can not be done, thanks to no hook system.
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Old 11 Dec 2014, 23:38
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Well that and the fact it is just to difficult to add mods to it, and some can not be done, thanks to no hook system.
I haven't looked at vb5 is a loooong while.. I didn't know there wasn't a hook system.

Seems odd right? What would be the benefit of not including that in vb5?
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Old 11 Dec 2014, 23:41
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IIRC, they claim it is for security, so someone can't run code using the plugin system if they get a admin account.
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Old 12 Dec 2014, 00:05
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Interesting, I can see how that could help but it may have hurt them in the long run.
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Well TBH, there is other ways than removing the system, to ensure only certain users access it, but I guess they felt it was easier to remove it.

Yeah, it may have hurt them in the long run, as everyone of course wants to be able to mod their site as they see fit, unless of course you are on the cloud.
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Old 12 Dec 2014, 04:52
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I haven't looked at vb5 is a loooong while.. I didn't know there wasn't a hook system.

Seems odd right? What would be the benefit of not including that in vb5?
To save face, the p0wertards literature being responsible for script kiddies hacking around 30k sites last year. If you take out the plugin system, sure would mean less fuss about "vBulletin hacked" being in any tech news etc.

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IIRC, they claim it is for security, so someone can't run code using the plugin system if they get a admin account.
IMHO to save face like I mentioned above. Furthermore I bet the official forums OR rather the test server was hacked using the plugin system (from long ago).

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Interesting, I can see how that could help but it may have hurt them in the long run.
It helps by not having thousands more sites taken advantage of. You're right though in my honest opinion it will hurt them in the long run UNLESS see below... drumroll please...

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Well TBH, there is other ways than removing the system, to ensure only certain users access it, but I guess they felt it was easier to remove it.

Yeah, it may have hurt them in the long run, as everyone of course wants to be able to mod their site as they see fit, unless of course you are on the cloud.
DAS CLOUD!!!!

Also see my post here. If you're marketing the cloud and pushing it heavily these last few months seems as if you're wanting everyone to jump on board - sadly many of us aren't ready to jump ship to the cloud despite what the world seems to think about clouds.

All I know is this, its different from how it used to be especially for third-party developers who helped get the sales to where they were regardless of marketing and redoing it all (vB5 fiasco and now lack of plugin system) just check napy8gen's post just below my last - its not him hurting its the software overall. You can't sit here and tell me you're not suffering when the rest of us who've based our livelihoods around primarily, one software are feeling the burn... we're crisp right now 3rd degree even but nah no worries, cloud is the answer despite not being able to customize heavily and go outside the box - whats helped build the vBulletin reputation in the beginning and until it was removed for vB5 thanks to fear of being hacked by a bunch of ftards - cut your nose off to spite your face is more like it.

/rantoff - Was that a rant? Dunno but simply spoke my mind so G'night all time for bed-a-rola .
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Old 12 Dec 2014, 17:15
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You are free to hire someone to create modifications for you. Sometimes people just don't want to take their spare free time and update modifications.
I believe it is impossible to update all plugins of vb4 to vb5.

Every time an update comes out of a plugin do we do? We call a programmer? How much it would cost us the game?

At this point, then it would be more economical to change platform and buy one that does not have all these problems?

Changes must be made by the creators of vbulletin5 if you want to sell licenses.
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Old 12 Dec 2014, 17:50
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It seems like IB is doing everything that can to ruin vb's name and alienate it's customers. No one wants a stock forum, they have to modify it to their own needs and rightfully should. Also I would not want to use "the cloud" I would much rather have full control of my website and hosting.

It seems vBulletin is trying to turn itself into a paid version of proboards. Moving backwards vs moving forwards, slowly killing itself.
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Old 12 Dec 2014, 22:53
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Originally Posted by migratoria View Post
I believe it is impossible to update all plugins of vb4 to vb5.

Every time an update comes out of a plugin do we do? We call a programmer? How much it would cost us the game?

At this point, then it would be more economical to change platform and buy one that does not have all these problems?

Changes must be made by the creators of vbulletin5 if you want to sell licenses.
What problems would that be? The fact that mod developers don't want to spend their free time to update mods to vB5?
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