[Master Of Unive]

Originally Posted by Dave

I believe there's a version out there that has support for PHP 7 at vbulletin.com, but it's not stable release. (?)

Yes, there is a project by Paul to make vb4 support php 7 http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=322892

It's in alpha test.

[Replicant]

Originally Posted by Paul M

The basic design of VB5 means it will just wont perform that well on large sites

I know vB3 and 4 handle large sites very well. As far as vB5 not performing well on large sites, I've heard this many times but with zero examples. I wouldn't know from experience since my site is just a baby. I know vb.com isn't the largest or busiest site by any means, but it seems to purr along quite happily every time I visit. Is the limitation on vB5 because of the architecture or is it just resource hungry basically limited to the computing power of the particular server it's on?

[Master Of Unive]

Originally Posted by Replicant

I know vB3 and 4 handle large sites very well. As far as vB5 not performing well on large sites, I've heard this many times but with zero examples. I wouldn't know from experience since my site is just a baby. I know vb.com isn't the largest or busiest site by any means, but it seems to purr along quite happily every time I visit. Is the limitation on vB5 because of the architecture or is it just resource hungry basically limited to the computing power of the particular server it's on?

The architecture I think. Beside vbulletin requires minimum 100 queries each request (I've tested on an empty board on localhost) isn't a good idea, although half of them are database cache queries.

Without a proper cache driver and application base optimizatio, I don't think large forum can render below 2s, they should have other choices of software.

vBOptimise of DBTech is really one of greatst vb4 modification.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Master Of Unive

vB5 is lack of addons and vB want to tell us that we don't need modifications.

I dont really understand what you point is here, vB has never 'needed' modifications, but they are available if you wish to extend its functionality.

[Master Of Unive]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I dont really understand what you point is here, vB has never 'needed' modifications, but they are available if you wish to extend its functionality.

It's harder to make modifications in vb5 for developer. Extremely harder for ordinary users (Please don't say normal users do not make mods)

My point is, vB alone doesn't need modification, but a forum using vB needs modifications to keep itself alive. I haven't seen many "default" forums that are running.

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by Master Of Unive

It's harder to make a modification in vb5.

My point is, vB alone doesn't need modification, but a forum using vB needs modifications to keep itself alive. I haven't seen many "default" forums that are running.

Then you haven't looked because most of the vB5 forums are default, including the theme.

[Master Of Unive]

Originally Posted by ProSportsForums

Then you haven't looked because most of the vB5 forums are default, including the theme.

Theme shouldn't be included I think.

Large forums without custom mods? Could you show me some of them. I really want to expand my view.

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by Master Of Unive

Theme shouldn't be included I think.

Large forums without custom mods? Could you show me some of them. I really want to expand my view.

Your statement said nothing about large forums.

When you're done moving the goalposts let me know and I'll answer the question.

[Mark.B]

A lot of vB5 forums do get styled, at least to some degree, and in my travels round people's sites doing support I've seen some extremely nice ones....from fully fledged new themes where someone has clearly rewritten a lot of the style, to simple colour changes that really work and give the site some identity.

One of the things I personally feel does vB5 no favours at all, is that its default style is rather drab. Even if it were a brighter blue, it'd be nicer. Some of the 'themes' that now ship with the product are very nice and they provide a decent starting point to style the rest of the site.

Just to give an example:
This is my cloud demo site: https://www.adminammo.com/
I used the 'Black Red' theme as the basis for the style, but the css is heavily customised to move the look more towards the 'traditional' forum layout...a bit like vB3 and older forum scripts like XMB. Everything back in boxes, etc.

I'm not claming it as a work of genius, but it shows what can be done with vB5.
AND - that is a cloud site. So no templates were changed, as cloud sites don't allow it. It's all done with additional css.

I've done styling work for dozens of vB5 sites who upgraded from vB4 and wanted their 'old' look and feel back. Mostly I stick to stylvars, colour changes and custom css, because changing templates just causes problems when they next upgrade.

[twistsol]

Originally Posted by Mark.B

This is my cloud demo site: https://www.adminammo.com/
I used the 'Black Red' theme as the basis for the style, but the css is heavily customised to move the look more towards the 'traditional' forum layout...a bit like vB3 and older forum scripts like XMB. Everything back in boxes, etc.

Mark, did you ever complete the article documenting the additional CSS that you did to bring back the look and feel from prior VB versions? What you've accomplished without changing templates is truly impressive

[Master Of Unive]

Originally Posted by ProSportsForums

Your statement said nothing about large forums.

When you're done moving the goalposts let me know and I'll answer the question.

My goal for this thread is done in some previous replies.

I don't have any more questions for you.

[webmastersun]

Originally Posted by Master Of Unive

I don't have numbers of their sale of course. But look at the vb5 ecosystem, do you see thing? Do you want to use a forum full of bugs and have no more than 100 extensions? Are you willing to pay for all modifications you need? Also as I stated, it's just an expectation.

Why skipping 6? Just a funny example, php 7, windows 10 and so on.

I like this answer

I am sure he wanted to say it will have no difference between vB 5 and vb 6 so it is better to have vB7 in mind.

[meissenation]

I've been running my site on vBulletin since 2005, I'd consider myself an average forum user for a small website (~2500 registered users). Forum activity has been way down so I thought I'd upgrade to the latest and greatest version of vB in hopes that a new look and feel, new functionality, etc might spark some interest to the member base.

With how long vB5 has been out, admittedly I didn't do enough research and just jumped in full steam. Big mistake. Bunch of bugs to work out in the installation - steps failing, bunch of legacy menus from vb4 showing up in AdminCP even though I started vb5 in a fully clean directory to ensure no files transferred over. Lots of refreshing the install page to get it to finish.

Once I did get it installed and running, the first time I did was come here to grab the add-ons that my user base had grown so accustomed to (Shoutbox, Top Statistics, etc). I totally applaud DBTech for bringing out so many of the "essentials" for vB5. But that said - the lack of add-ons and customization really, really makes me regret upgrading to vB5.

Even reading the responses here from vB support or hardcore vB folks talking about how they aren't upgrading to vB5 (just like this forum is still on vB3) - to me that speaks volumes at what a flop vB5 is. Just my two cents from an average small/medium forum owner. Had I done more research, I wouldn't have upgraded.

[final kaoss]

Originally Posted by Mark.B

Making a brand new version from scratch would take years, and would require users to buy new licenses.

If it means a better product, with features & flexibility that are leaps & bounds above the "current generation" of vbulletin software, then I don't care if it takes 10 years of development from scratch. Waiting is obviously inevitable.

I've seen the "it would take forever" excuse a bit too much. Suck it up buttercup, if it means a better overall experience.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by meissenation

With how long vB5 has been out, admittedly I didn't do enough research and just jumped in full steam. Big mistake. Bunch of bugs to work out in the installation - steps failing, bunch of legacy menus from vb4 showing up in AdminCP

Why did you upgrade anyway, what issue did you have with the previous version ?

I've not seen upgrade steps fail for a while, did you note and/or log the failures ?

Not entirely sure what you mean by "bunch of legacy menus" from vB4, but the ACP hasnt been altered really - unless you mean some options that no longer do anything are still there. I think they are slowly being removed (where its been decided the option will never return).

Originally Posted by final kaoss

I've seen the "it would take forever" excuse a bit too much. Suck it up buttercup, if it means a better overall experience.

You realise that Mark has no say in such matters ?