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Old 09 Jan 2009, 10:22
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My skills and the people´s helping out skills are not to make it as it could be. No doubt there. So where do I find the person who can and will do it without scamming and without dragging it on for ages?
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We have goals and visions for the board and think we can in time make it an even better site. Sadly some of the things we intentionally did not want, seems to be needed for a pet board to make it which I personally find sad - but perhaps thats just the way is.

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Old 09 Jan 2009, 12:09
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Please do not use the review forum to hire people.
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Old 09 Jan 2009, 12:21
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I´m sorry
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Old 09 Jan 2009, 16:00
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You know I have not heard the word scammed in 20 years until I came to this forum and since then all I hear about from buyers and sellers is SCAMED! This is some kind of poor testimonial to the relationships being developed.

I think you first need to go the the Paid services section of the forum and to there post your request for help and then when you get 50 emails or PM's saying how many will help you, sort through them and toss the ones that start out with the cost for the job as they have no concept of what the job is. Second you hire someone first of all that is a project coodinator of sorts that may or may not be the same person you hire for the work or may be a technical writter and get them to compose your to do list for you and a technical over view of the work to be done as it will likely involve at least two different people one being a designer and or artist and another being a coder to make that art work for you.

You may wish also to set your jobs in mile stones so that it comes out in small chunks and that way you do not get SCAMMED for some larger job but insted realize that what many think is a scam is a programmer thinking his client is full of scope creep and the client that was unable to describe in detail what they wished or wishing to add to what they find is possible and deirable then wishes that work for free when it was never agreed to originally.

I would like to see your work go forward and you site become a booming success. However you have to get into reality and know it cost and cost dearly to run large active sites and requires professional managment and some times you get that for free and some times you do not and you generally get what you pay for. If you want a no selling site then break up the for sell items in a seperate area and make a disconnect between them.

First thing you do is decide what you want to do and or hire someone to figgure out what you wish to do by hiring them to bounce it off of them and that is a technical writer that may or may not be a coder but you pay for the project details first and then programmers and artist will know what they are bidding on and you decide how much they should bid on and then pay them in stages of completions called mile stones.

Check out also sites like get a free lancer and renta coder .com both have short commings but you have to shop wisely.

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Also I wish to add here without judgement if your skills are the people helping out kind and you wish to have them that do not drag it out for ages and not wishing to be scammed, are either naieve as to how things work or else you are potentially going to scam some one likely unintentionally yourself as you think you are going to get some professional level of a site from vols. Not likely at all.

Two types of buyers. One has more time than money and thus they shop wisely and get good results over a prolonged time.

The other has more money than time than they have money. If you have the more money then hire an attorney and a technical writter and a business counselor and then have them to work with a coder and artist. If you have more time than money find who on your site can help you find the solutions you seek and write up a general outline of what you need and announce to your coder at the beginning to price the job for 50 or 75 or 100% scope creep as you really cannot define with specificity what EXACTLY thier job description will be.

Then when all is done realize that there are a multitude of free mods out there and a good and honest coder will tell you about them and install them for a few pennies or free with a larger job.

Communications however is the key to success. Also realize that most of the coders on the paid service site seem to be from 3rd world economies and many of them as a result do scam due to desperation but many are honest people that work cheap by your standards but they too do not wish to be taken advantage of. Start small with one of them and build a relationship with them. Schedule the work to be done in a time specific range so they do not take the job out of desperation with no real chance of doing it when agreed to due to excessive work load already. Again break it up in chunks and go slow. The idea you do not want it to drag on forever is one that I am not sure about as during that period you call forever is going to be the same lenght of time where you are working on it of still looking for some one and if you are working on it with an optimistic attititude then you may well get it done by then and if you are still looking that time will have passed and it still will not have gotten done.

Think about it.
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Old 12 Jan 2009, 18:54
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I hope you feel better now Gladhatter

When first purchased our VB board we did the clicking and getting to know it all by ourself. As time went by and we started getting braver and saw what others have on their board, we started looking for changes. Some we have been able to do ourself. Some has required some assistance. And for that we have payed every single time and have had a succesful teamwork with the people involved.

But when first asking for help, we received quite a lot of warnings. Some through this site, others was mailed to us. Now wheter you have been a victim of scamming or not, I am sure that to those who have experienced it for whatever reason, they feel really bad about it and perhaps wished that someone would have warned them or helped them out in what to expect and how to get it

Those warnings we received helped us stear clear of the some of the people contacting us offering to do the jobs we offered. And for that I am thankful.

The posts in here was not meant as a job offering but to show of the work we have done and hired help has done to our site. Some will look at it and comment that they like it. Others will take a look and see something missing or that something added will make a change in a positive way. *** Again removed ***

For now, we already have a project comming and we have already and before this thread was made hired someone to do this. That is not what this topic was or is about at all. *** And again ***

I can not help but feel that your post is a bit..... angry? or self-righteous - but perhaps I am wrong and if so I appologise. Maybe you should think back to when you were a newbie and had to learn and perhaps communicate in a different language if that has ever happend?
With a site that is not even a year old yet and all of us on there having to learn from scratch, I think we are doing ok. And that we wanted to show off on here - nothing less - nothing more

Perhaps when we are completly done or have something new and exciting we will try and show our site of on here again. Time will tell but if so, if I am the poster again I will deff be a lot more careful with my wording and who I comment to. We dont want anyone having a heartattack just because of a message board now do we

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Old 12 Jan 2009, 23:24
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We positively do not want any one having any heart attacks for sure.

For the record, I am the worst possible critic even though I wish to offer a critique that will benefit you only and otherwise I have no dog in the race.

Angry, I rarely am when I am scammed or not living in a universe filled with justice, I rarely find need or anger, revenge or self rightousness.

Having a forum that needs tons of work and being a total newbie to it all, I am in no position to say much more on that topic and was far too general in my responses and realized later some of it was based on my poorest reading skills and misunderstanding what you said to begin with.

For all this and more I appologize and wish you the best.
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Old 13 Jan 2009, 09:21
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Sometimes the worst possible critic is needed And your critique has been read and still is being read so it hasnt been for nothing. We appriciate your respons to this thread
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Old 13 Jan 2009, 10:32
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I am just happy you have a pet site and think we are all animals and most of us could stand a bit more petting.

Best of luck again.
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Old 13 Jan 2009, 11:27
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LOL You´re not sane
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Old 13 Jan 2009, 11:37
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Yes but my doctor says I am getting much better.
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