[rhodes_muc]

Originally Posted by englishtalk

Because if they're selling it, it should be fit for consumption: it should work. This isn't shareware, there should be refunds for anyone with an unfixable problem. They're just begging to be sued.

I agree with englishtalk that a software prized $250 should be fully developed. Of course any new software has bugs. But in VB5 we don't talk about bugs, some parts are missing.

When customers visit vbulletin.com they get the impression of a sophisticated and robust software. But that's not true. There is no hint saying "wait a moment, we're in beta."

"Engaging social functionality"? Posting to facebook is not implemented till today. That is very disappointing. But the most disappointing thing is that nobody is able to fix a date when a missing feature will be production ready. Maybe we will see this feature next week. But maybe not until next year. Information policy is unacceptable. Therefore, a professional project planning is not possible at the moment with vb5.

Let me say one thing more. I really believe that vb5 has a brilliant api extension system. But what I would expect is a documentation for my developers. But there is no useful api documentation at all. Even some open source products have a much better documentation than vb5. Sorry to say this, but at the moment I'm very disappointed and although we have spent $250 we're looking for an alternative.

rhodes

[TheLastSuperman]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

I would even go so far as to say, install 3.8.x which is also downloadable when you buy your vB5 license. (Correct me if I am wrong.)

Ohh you're free to install and run 3.x or 4.x or 5.x under the 5.x license so yeah either or .

[skol]

Originally Posted by rhodes_muc

I agree with englishtalk that a software prized $250 should be fully developed. Of course any new software has bugs. But in VB5 we don't talk about bugs, some parts are missing.

When customers visit vbulletin.com they get the impression of a sophisticated and robust software. But that's not true. There is no hint saying "wait a moment, we're in beta."

"Engaging social functionality"? Posting to facebook is not implemented till today. That is very disappointing. But the most disappointing thing is that nobody is able to fix a date when a missing feature will be production ready. Maybe we will see this feature next week. But maybe not until next year. Information policy is unacceptable. Therefore, a professional project planning is not possible at the moment with vb5.

Let me say one thing more. I really believe that vb5 has a brilliant api extension system. But what I would expect is a documentation for my developers. But there is no useful api documentation at all. Even some open source products have a much better documentation than vb5. Sorry to say this, but at the moment I'm very disappointed and although we have spent $250 we're looking for an alternative.

rhodes

I agree with englishtalk that a software prized $250 should be fully developed.

You got vb3,vb4 and vb5 for that price (actually I think thats quite cheap). I and many others purchased 3 and 4 separately.

To be honest you get sick to death of reading threads and posts about vb5.You have new members who come to vborg and the first posts are a slanging match about vb5.

Yes,we all know what stage vb5 is at and unfortunately due to ignorance of people not reviewing the facts before purchase this is what happens.

I'm not disagreeing with what people are saying,in fact I totally agree vb5 was released to early.But saying that it works as a forum and thats what it was built to do.

No point keep going on about vb5 and what your all going to do about it.Just simply use vb3 or 4 wait until your happy with the standard of vb5 and then switch.

[englishtalk]

Originally Posted by skol

No point keep going on about vb5 and what your all going to do about it.Just simply use vb3 or 4 wait until your happy with the standard of vb5 and then switch.

Thanks for that but the only way to experience vb5 is to use it for a while and then there's no going back if you're unhappy with it.

[skol]

Originally Posted by englishtalk

Thanks for that but the only way to experience vb5 is to use it for a while and then there's no going back if you're unhappy with it.

So as a webmaster you don't use a test board? Just basics buddy,you never take anything to a live site without testing..And that goes for everything.

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by englishtalk

Thanks for that but the only way to experience vb5 is to use it for a while and then there's no going back if you're unhappy with it.

In the beginning, I didn't get this, when vB 5 even said on the purchase page that it was a Beta. But we got the disgruntled "unfinished product" threads anyway. And now that this kind of thread can be found here, on vB.com and on every website devoted to being a forum admin, I still don't get it. Who's buying vB 5 now with blinders on? As I said before, I don't even buy a .99 cent app without first reading the reviews. It's not like you can't Google it. Again, who's to blame for buying software that doesn't work? If it doesn't work, then it can't be to hard to find out first. You don't just go by the spiel on the website's home page. Crazy Larry thinks his deals are great, too.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

In the beginning, I didn't get this, when vB 5 even said on the purchase page that it was a Beta. But we got the disgruntled "unfinished product" threads anyway.

But... More people don't know what "Beta" means, than do. It just flies over the head of most people.

[ozzy47]

Yeah, but if you don't know what it means, then would you not ask?

[skol]

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

In the beginning, I didn't get this, when vB 5 even said on the purchase page that it was a Beta. But we got the disgruntled "unfinished product" threads anyway. And now that this kind of thread can be found here, on vB.com and on every website devoted to being a forum admin, I still don't get it. Who's buying vB 5 now with blinders on? As I said before, I don't even buy a .99 cent app without first reading the reviews. It's not like you can't Google it. Again, who's to blame for buying software that doesn't work? If it doesn't work, then it can't be to hard to find out first. You don't just go by the spiel on the website's home page. Crazy Larry thinks his deals are great, too.

It does work,and I bet anyone in this thread to go out there in www land and find a script that even matches vb5 nevermind surpass it.

You'll never see anything like vb5 created anywhere..Xenforo and likes will never attempt something like vb5,they don't have the money nor the backing.

The biggest problem is new customers will go for vb5 and don't understand vb to start with,it's like the person who created this thread.Where is he/she now..Probably using vb4 and learning that.

vb5 works and works well as is stands as a forum script but really should be on your test board..

[fholbert]

It's really a shame. Boards I'm a member of switched brands and the I like what I see. Was looking forward to VB5 for my board but what a disappointment. I'm currently upgrading to 4.2.2 but may move to XenForo soon. Once a board has moved on they never return to vBulletin.

[ozzy47]

That's not true, there are quite a few members I know that switched to different software, only to return. Sure some don't but some do.

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

But... More people don't know what "Beta" means, than do. It just flies over the head of most people.

Originally Posted by skol

It does work,and I bet anyone in this thread to go out there in www land and find a script that even matches vb5 nevermind surpass it.

You'll never see anything like vb5 created anywhere..Xenforo and likes will never attempt something like vb5,they don't have the money nor the backing.

The biggest problem is new customers will go for vb5 and don't understand vb to start with,it's like the person who created this thread.Where is he/she now..Probably using vb4 and learning that.

vb5 works and works well as is stands as a forum script but really should be on your test board..

But you see, you're both missing my point. If you spend hundreds of dollars, and don't do any research on what you're about to buy, who's fault is it when it doesn't work the way you wanted?

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

But you see, you're both missing my point. If you spend hundreds of dollars, and don't do any research on what you're about to buy, who's fault is it when it doesn't work the way you wanted?

Yes you are right and I got it right off, was just playing devil's advocate. Being facetious and a little sarcastic.

[cellarius]

Some are riding pretty high horses, here. It is all fine and dandy that you have lots of experience and know how to evaluate software and know all the admin forums where you can get independent opinions.

Guess what? Many of IB's potential customers are not. They see all the crap about market leader and worlds leading community software, with hundreds of new features promised. They may even surf around and find many big forums running vB. That may be vB4 or even vB3, but they see: Hey, that has to be reliable software. Then they may even surf the vbulletin website. But guess what? All the critical feedback is hidden away from them. They may even know that bugs are quite normal in software, but they are probably not used to being sold crap in a state that vB5 was in (and in many ways still is).

Are they to blame in part for not researching even more? Maybe. But what is sure as hell is that IB has sold half baked software not once, but twice. I really don't get how you guys really can be of the opinion that this mess is in the first place the fault of the customer. Said customer has every right to state his opinion, and if they want to do so in a place where it is not hidden away from potential new customers, then this is more than understandable. If that is more than you can bear, I suggest you just skip such threads (given the title of this thread pretty much gives away its content, doesn't it?)

[englishtalk]

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

who's fault is it when it doesn't work the way you wanted?

Is this what you'll write on IB/VB's tombstone after they've gone bankrupt? Or maybe "technically they were right and their customers were wrong!"

People were happy with their previous products, are happy with their competitors products, aren't happy with their current product. Does the conversation really have to be more nuanced than that?