[cellarius]

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

I'm not really sure how "rose-colored" applies here.

I'm sure you're perfectly capable of understanding the context. You do remember that you were the one implying that the criticism of vB5 was an echo-chamber of a few, do you?`If not, read the quote I answered to.

Um, a thread is accurate measure?

Oh, and I thought you would get the idea and click the link. Maybe even read the post. My fault. So: Click the link and read the post.

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by cellarius

I'm sure you're perfectly capable of understanding the context. You do remember that you were the one implying that the criticism of vB5 was an echo-chamber of a few, do you?`If not, read the quote I answered to.

I would understand if I had placed anything in a positive light. I haven't done that.

Oh, and I thought you would get the idea and click the link. Maybe even read the post. My fault. So: Click the link and read the post.

I did read your observations. When I talked about accurate measure, I meant something beyond an observation. Such as measured statistics from a credible third-party source. As always, we make the mistake that the add-on/admin online community isn't a fraction of the number of forum owners as a whole. Our feedback, and whether or not we're making add-ons, isn't an accurate of measure of things. All tying back to the fact, that no matter how discontent you are, you're not getting a refund on a download. Because that's not something that done, nor a very good business model.

[skol]

Looks like vb5 seems to be a new start all round.I'm sure we'll see the money making coders out in force six months on from now.

Hobby coding, is a thing of the past in these guys eyes.Coders here left people in the lurch on both vb3 and 4.So not everyone is innocent here.What did you expect IB to do? Their only way was to create vb5 on their terms.

Why vborg is showing to support it must simply because of monetary value or back handers from the likes of established syndicate coders.

That might sound harsh,but I only see Dbtech really getting involved with vb5 on here.

[Simon Lloyd]

Coders didnt leave anyone in the lurch, they all (like me) have normall lives away from here and full time jobs. Make no mistake dbtech are really only there to ply their commercial products or links (if you have updated your dbtech mods from here you may or may have not noticed the links appearing in all your footers..etc when they orginally didnt).

I'm not against them making money, everyone needs to put bread on the table, i'm just trying to get you to see the reality of it, if they are coding for vb5 then good on them.

[skol]

I'm not against them making money, everyone needs to put bread on the table

Why do you need to do that,as you said and they always say the same,"we have lives" and full time jobs.It's a coders cliche now that statement.

I have a full time job and a life plus four sites to run,I can't pick and choose.So what gives you (the coders) the right to use that statement as always as an excuse.

As I said vb5 will see the money coders and you confirmed that Simon.Thanks.

[Simon Lloyd]

The statement "we have lives" means that because we have released a mod on here for free for your use it doesn't mean that we are at your beck and call if anything goes wrong, we give support as and when we can, i personally support all my mods all the time but i understand lifes pressures...etc that can cause some coders not to.

As it's free there aren't any warranties...etc so, paying for it is how you get those assurities

[Digital Jedi]

As I recall, there's a guideline somewhere around here that says you use third-party modifications at your own risk. That's not an excuse. That's a fact. No one is obliged to give things away for free in perpetuity. And no one should be hinging anything crucial on a free add-on. Even a paid add-on can go *poof* in the middle of the night.

[tombo82685]

Quick questin, i have vb 5.05, and from reading this site I'm going to install vb 4.22 for the add ons since i can't get really anything on the new vers. With 4.22 are their hotlink and hide codes available?

[nhawk]

Originally Posted by skol

Looks like vb5 seems to be a new start all round.I'm sure we'll see the money making coders out in force six months on from now.

Hobby coding, is a thing of the past in these guys eyes.Coders here left people in the lurch on both vb3 and 4.So not everyone is innocent here.What did you expect IB to do? Their only way was to create vb5 on their terms.

Why vborg is showing to support it must simply because of monetary value or back handers from the likes of established syndicate coders.

That might sound harsh,but I only see Dbtech really getting involved with vb5 on here.

Something you need to keep in mind about DBTech is that it isn't one person. DBTech is a company with quite a few coders working for them.

So if you have 10 coders focusing on products that only they work on, it is a lot easier for them to update/produce products than it is for a single coder.

I have released add-ons for vB5, but due to the vB5 code being in constant flux I've had to step back and wait for it to stabilize before I do any more updates to those mods. With over 40 publicly available add-ons and God knows how many custom/private mods to support I can't be doing updates to vB5 add-ons on almost a weekly basis.

Combine that with what seems to be an en-mass move of many of my clients to another forum system with the expectation of my mods to follow them and time becomes a very precious commodity. In this case vB5 takes a back seat to vB4 and other more stabile software.

--------------- Added 30 Oct 2013 at 15:02 ---------------

Originally Posted by tombo82685

Quick questin, i have vb 5.05, and from reading this site I'm going to install vb 4.22 for the add ons since i can't get really anything on the new vers. With 4.22 are their hotlink and hide codes available?

If you do a search of the vB4 mods forum using the word 'hide' and search titles only, you'll probably find what you want.

[skol]

Originally Posted by Simon Lloyd

The statement "we have lives" means that because we have released a mod on here for free for your use it doesn't mean that we are at your beck and call if anything goes wrong, we give support as and when we can, i personally support all my mods all the time but i understand lifes pressures...etc that can cause some coders not to.

As it's free there aren't any warranties...etc so, paying for it is how you get those assurities

Thats dependant on whether the mod is in your interest to post it here. Most are carrying lite versions these days which lead on to your were you have to be at the beck and call of everyone. And then suddenly the "The Statement" is never stated..

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

As I recall, there's a guideline somewhere around here that says you use third-party modifications at your own risk. That's not an excuse. That's a fact. No one is obliged to give things away for free in perpetuity. And no one should be hinging anything crucial on a free add-on. Even a paid add-on can go *poof* in the middle of the night.

Sorry I've lost you on that statement.So why are we posting here at vborg? In fact what was vborg created for?

Originally Posted by nhawk

Something you need to keep in mind about DBTech is that it isn't one person. DBTech is a company with quite a few coders working for them.

So if you have 10 coders focusing on products that only they work on, it is a lot easier for them to update/produce products than it is for a single coder.

I have released add-ons for vB5, but due to the vB5 code being in constant flux I've had to step back and wait for it to stabilize before I do any more updates to those mods. With over 40 publicly available add-ons and God knows how many custom/private mods to support I can't be doing updates to vB5 add-ons on almost a weekly basis.

Combine that with what seems to be an en-mass move of many of my clients to another forum system with the expectation of my mods to follow them and time becomes a very precious commodity. In this case vB5 takes a back seat to vB4 and other more stabile software.

I totally agree with you.Thats why I stated:

Why vborg is showing to support it must simply because of monetary value or back handers from the likes of established syndicate coders.

I don't doubt your integrity to vb4,but as you have said vb5 takes a back seat.So we then go back to what I said.

As I said vb5 will see the money coders

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by skol

Thats dependant on whether the mod is in your interest to post it here. Most are carrying lite versions these days which lead on to your were you have to be at the beck and call of everyone. And then suddenly the "The Statement" is never stated..

Sorry I've lost you on that statement.So why are we posting here at vborg? In fact what was vborg created for?

For downloading free add-ons that people want to give to the community. Under a stipulation that is no different from any other third-party add-on site. When you get something for free, you know what you're getting into.

Of course you won't make that statement if you're offering a paid add-on. Because that person has decided that he can make a reasonable commitment to the project. In which case "The Statement" becomes "The Terms of Service". In which case, you still don't get any perpetual guarantees.

[skol]

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

For downloading free add-ons that people want to give to the community. Under a stipulation that is no different from any other third-party add-on site. When you get something for free, you know what you're getting into.

Thanks for that.So when did the rules change to allow lite versions? As opposed to pro versions,and as you said free add-ons.

[ozzy47]

Lite versions of commercial modifications are permitted to be released here as long as:

1. It is a working modification
2. It is not time limited in any way
3. It is completely free to the user
4. It is stand alone and completely separate to the full version
5. A single link back to the commercial version is permitted, as long as no pricing or promotional language is used in the link or embedded into the lite version.

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by skol

Thanks for that.So when did the rules change to allow lite versions? As opposed to pro versions,and as you said free add-ons.

As far as I know, it's always been that way.

[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by skol

Hobby coding, is a thing of the past in these guys eyes.Coders here left people in the lurch on both vb3 and 4.So not everyone is innocent here.What did you expect IB to do? Their only way was to create vb5 on their terms.

Nobody gets "left in the lurch" by FREE modifications.

My vB4 site has lots of valued modifications, I'm eternally grateful to the authors of each and every one of them, including the ones who've moved on and aren't around here any more.

If something breaks on an "abandoned" mod, I'll try to fix it myself, which may include asking for help on this very site. If I can't fix it - I'll have to remove it. But I won't have been "left in the lurch", because I always know that's one of the risks. If I don't like it I can always pay someone.