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Old 30 Jun 2017, 22:32
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As many of you will know, has always prided itself on being an independant site, making its own choices, and chosing its own staff (all of who are unpaid volunteers).

Unfortunately, this all changed four weeks ago.

Having left employment with IB the week before, I made it clear I intended to keep up my role as Administrator here - a position I was appointed to way back in September 2006, almost five years before I ever worked at Internet Brands.

However, on 2nd June 2017 (while I was away on holiday) I was (on the instructions of IB Management) removed from my Administrator role, and demoted to Moderator (by IB staff, not by our other admins, Lynne and Princeton). The reason given to me was that I am "no longer employed by IB".

This is despite the fact that IB employment and staff positions here have never been linked.

The staff here are all angry, and for the last few weeks we have tried to get IB management to see this isnt the right thing to have done.
They have refused to change the decision, and so it is with much regret that myself, and most of the existing staff are in the process of stepping down.

Over the next few weeks, Lynne, BirdOPrey5, MarkFL, Dismounted, Princeton and myself (Paul M) will all be stepping down.

Lynne has also announced she is resigning from vB Support.

My understanding is that TheLastSuperman intends to stay on for the moment (so really will be the Last (super) Man standing).

I believe our advisor Dave is also remaining for the moment.

I'm afraid I do not know what the future holds for, or who from IB will be running it.
However, it has become clear it is no longer "our" site to run - as has previously been done for the last 15+ years.
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Old 30 Jun 2017, 22:52
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It has been a privilege to serve as a Moderator here and to be a part of so many people's forums in one way or another. I'm not necessarily abandoning completely (unless I get banned for some reason) but you can find me on my main forum,, or I may hopefully get my VB Mods site cleaned up at My twitter is @BirdOPrey5.

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Old 30 Jun 2017, 23:42
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I'm sorry you're leaving

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Old 01 Jul 2017, 00:02
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I too feel it has been a great privilege to serve as a moderator here. I learned a great deal from folks here, and met quite a few good people. It's a real shame all that has been ruined.

I am in the process of moving support for my products to the site in my signature...once I have completed the process, I will update my signature with a direct link.
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Old 01 Jul 2017, 00:29
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Although I don't generally post here, I do spend a fair amount of time browsing and I'd just like to say to everyone stepping down, thank you for all your contributions to this forum. I have no doubt you will all be greatly missed.

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Old 01 Jul 2017, 01:30
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I would like to offer my services to be an admin or moderator! I've been using vBulletin since 2004, written several mods and am pals with a (former) staff member.
Old 01 Jul 2017, 03:32
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This is terrible....

Let us take care of your forum, seo, seo reports, maintenance, what ever you need. Need local seo? What about Dumpster Rental SEO?
Old 01 Jul 2017, 04:09
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Originally Posted by RichieBoy67 View Post
This is terrible....
Very much so...
Old 01 Jul 2017, 04:30
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There is not a staff member on this list who has not helped me repeatedly over the years. This sucks. Seems like an unnecessary and destructive decision. Forum communities are supposed to be about the members who support them, not about petty politics or power struggles.

Pretty shabby treatment of folks who have selflessly given of their time, energy, and love over countless years.

I think many will find other resources for their vB help.

It's never too late to do the right thing.
Old 01 Jul 2017, 04:32
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Sad news but respect to the staff for standing up to bad practices. I hope something good can come of this on another site.
Old 01 Jul 2017, 05:00
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It was not easy for me to make the decision to leave since I really do love this community. This is the place where I learned to love vbulletin and what it could do for my site. In learning, I found that I loved to teach and help also. I will miss helping out here a LOT! I am very thankful to Paul, Princeton, and Hanson taking me on as an Advisior back in 2008 and giving me a place to have so much fun in learning.

Originally Posted by BGObsession View Post
It's never too late to do the right thing.
Believe me, we have tried for the last three weeks to change their decision - they won't suddenly do the right thing.
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Old 01 Jul 2017, 07:36
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Long story, short:
Since 2006 I was serving community members with my Free Mods
But as this site will starts operating by the company,
I'm no willing to support them

** File Removed **
Thank you all (especially Lynne) for your support.

More than 4 years ago have wrote:
" should not exists at least the way that is operating now".
Don't say that I'm happy with what happen but somehow I was a fortune teller.
Old 01 Jul 2017, 07:55
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Just wow ... can't say I didn't see this coming .... really sucks when there is no compromise between 2 sides to keep something good going ... sorry guys, thanks for all the help throughout the years, it was and is still very much welcomed and appreciated ....
Old 01 Jul 2017, 08:07
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Originally Posted by zethon View Post
I would like to offer my services to be an admin or moderator! I've been using vBulletin since 2004, written several mods and am pals with a (former) staff member.
I'm speechless with your post !!
Old 01 Jul 2017, 10:01
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Obviously people need to do what they feel is right, but I urge you, even if you will stop supporting them, leave your mods up if you can. You aren't hurting IB, they don't care. You're only hurting existing customers who can't get refunds and are no different than any of us were our first days/weeks/months on vBulletin.

I haven't given up all hope. As of 5AM Eastern Time only one small change is needed to the staff page to set things right again-
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