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Old 07 Sep 2014, 20:35
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Originally Posted by ozzy47 View Post
vB 5. TBH I wish I would have waited on that till it was stable.
Really don't want to be pedantic here but we are talking about a platform that is a hell of a lot more popular/used/viable/functional than the example quoted above.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 20:36
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Originally Posted by ozzy47 View Post
Yes, as I knew this was being done in the early stages of vB3 when I was a admin on various sites. I then proceeded to purchase my own vB license, and have since then purchased 2 more, one of which was vB5, and TBH I wish I would have waited on that till it was stable.
Well, would you still be willing to purchase it if you knew that the current staff has no knowledge of some of the code included and apparently cannot support it - according to a current staff member?
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 20:54
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For a long time, no one actually had touched the code that did all of this, and the code base goes back to 2002~ or so when vBulletin 3 development started. Every developer from that time period is gone. We don't have that knowledge laying around anymore.

So, to fix them, in 4.2.2 we DISABLED it, and then found a large chunk of them and actually fixed the code.

A few of them escaped, and went unfixed in the final 4.2.2 release. But we patched it with the skip errors lines if customers were running into it.

We urged them to log bugs where they were occurring.

In 4.2.3 I believe they've all been addressed, and we're working on 5.5 issues now.
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Well, would you still be willing to purchase it if you knew that the current staff has no knowledge of some of the code included and apparently cannot support it - according to a current staff member?
Where does Zachary say it can not be supported? From what I read he says the suppressing of the warnings was turned off, and sure some went unnoticed. This is bound to happen as code acts different on various servers due to different configurations.

And yes I would still but another license if I needed to, but I don't.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 20:56
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Then everyone would be crying that there is warnings all over their sites.
Well better late than never....

When does an error become a warning ?
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 21:01
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True, but hopefully with the latest release of vB4 they are all fixed.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 21:12
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Originally Posted by ozzy47 View Post
Where does Zachary say it can not be supported? From what I read he says the suppressing of the warnings was turned off, and sure some went unnoticed. This is bound to happen as code acts different on various servers due to different configurations.

And yes I would still but another license if I needed to, but I don't.
When he says there is no knowledge about the code "laying around" and also when he says it has not been addressed in about a decade. If they haven't corrected it in a decade then I would say that means that portion of the code is not being supported
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 21:18
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So you are assuming then, he never came out and said it was not supported.

He also stated in that post that all the warnings should be taken care of now, " In 4.2.3 I believe they've all been addressed, and we're working on 5.5 issues now. "

Does that mean that there will not be more in the future, no. It also does not mean that everyone is corrected.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 22:07
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Originally Posted by Disco_Stu View Post
OK....let me ask you something. If vBulletin said in it's advertisements that some warning messages are intentionally being suppressed would you still be willing to purchase the software not knowing what those warning conditions were?
You actually do not know what you are talking about, and you've also ignored every single attempt anyone's made to explain it to you.

Please refer back to Joe's earlier post which explains it precisely and answers every point you're trying to make.

Of course, what you're ACTUALLY trying to is bash the company, which is why you aren't taking the slightest bit of notice of the facts being presented to you and instead keep posting the same thing over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Disco_Stu View Post
When he says there is no knowledge about the code "laying around" and also when he says it has not been addressed in about a decade. If they haven't corrected it in a decade then I would say that means that portion of the code is not being supported
Utter rubbish.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 22:16
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Originally Posted by ozzy47 View Post
Where does Zachary say it can not be supported? From what I read he says the suppressing of the warnings was turned off, and sure some went unnoticed. This is bound to happen as code acts different on various servers due to different configurations.

And yes I would still but another license if I needed to, but I don't.
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You actually do not know what you are talking about, and you've also ignored every single attempt anyone's made to explain it to you.

Please refer back to Joe's earlier post which explains it precisely and answers every point you're trying to make.

Of course, what you're ACTUALLY trying to is bash the company, which is why you aren't taking the slightest bit of notice of the facts being presented to you and instead keep posting the same thing over and over again.

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Utter rubbish.
I don't appreciate you accusing me of trying to bash the company. I therefore accuse YOU of trying to justify bad coding and support.

Please tell me when it is considered good coding practice to ignore warning messages instead of identifying and correcting the root cause? If that's the way you design systems then I suggest you take a few business and systems design courses at your local college. It sounds like you could benefit from them.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 22:20
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Originally Posted by Disco_Stu View Post
I don't appreciate you accusing me of trying to bash the company. I therefore accuse YOU of trying to justify bad coding and support.

Please tell me when it is considered good coding practice to ignore warning messages instead of identifying and correcting the root cause? If that's the way you design systems then I suggest you take a few business and systems design courses at your local college. It sounds like you could benefit from them.
Again, please read Joe's post where he explains in detail that these matters have been fixed....

4.2.2 behaves the way it does by default because vBulletin were FIXING the warnings.
Yet here you are, complaining about warnings not being fixed, despite you being told several times now that they are being fixed.

Really don't know how to spell it out any better than Joe did in his earlier post.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 22:28
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Originally Posted by Mark.B View Post
Again, please read Joe's post where he explains in detail that these matters have been fixed....

4.2.2 behaves the way it does by default because vBulletin were FIXING the warnings.
Yet here you are, complaining about warnings not being fixed, despite you being told several times now that they are being fixed.

Really don't know how to spell it out any better than Joe did in his earlier post.
You need to get a clue. I am complaining about the following (so it is crystal clear to you):

1) I was not informed prior to purchasing this software that warning messages were being suppressed. The sellers should have informed potential customers of this

2) I was told by a support staff member that these warning messages have been around for a decade without being addressed. That is unacceptable coding practice in my book

3) I was told by the same support staff member that they did not have the knowledge "laying around" about the code that was generating the messages. This means that they are selling software that they have no knowledge about. If you know nothing about the code then how do you support it? How do you properly test each new release? How do you even know what it contains? And why can't you understand it? Do you not have the technical skill set to understand it?


Are you clear now? Do you now understand what I am talking about?

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Old 07 Sep 2014, 22:39
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PHP "warnings" are really nothing more than information messages, and are intended to be suppressed in production environments. Go read the set-up instructions for php production values.

Actual php errors cannot be supressed, they will generate a fatal error, and the execution will fail at that point.

Ill informed ranting will not change this, nor will it change how php applications are written.

If certain people cannot comprehend what they have been told several times now, then there is little point in this discussion continuing.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 22:42
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Originally Posted by Disco_Stu View Post
You need to get a clue. I am complaining about the following (so it is crystal clear to you):

1) I was not informed prior to purchasing this software that warning messages were being suppressed. The sellers should have informed potential customers of this

2) I was told by a support staff member that these warning messages have been around for a decade without being addressed. That is unacceptable coding practice in my book

3) I was told by the same support staff member that they did not have the knowledge "laying around" about the code that was generating the messages. This means that they are selling software that they have no knowledge about. If you know nothing about the code then how do you support it? How do you properly test each new release? How do you even know what it contains? And why can't you understand it? Do you not have the technical skill set to understand it?


Are you clear now? Do you now understand what I am talking about?
If you have issues with the software and how it is coded, and what may have been or not been told to you prior to purchasing, then you need to address this on vB.com.

This site is not for this type of discussions, it is about modifications and making changes to templates and such.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 22:44
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Originally Posted by Disco_Stu View Post
You need to get a clue. I am complaining about the following (so it is crystal clear to you):

1) I was not informed prior to purchasing this software that warning messages were being suppressed. The sellers should have informed potential customers of this

2) I was told by a support staff member that these warning messages have been around for a decade without being addressed. That is unacceptable coding practice in my book

3) I was told by the same support staff member that they did not have the knowledge "laying around" about the code that was generating the messages. This means that they are selling software that they have no knowledge about. If you know nothing about the code then how do you support it? How do you properly test each new release? How do you even know what it contains? And why can't you understand it? Do you not have the technical skill set to understand it?


Are you clear now? Do you now understand what I am talking about?
Yes vBulletin do have the technical skillset to develop and support their products. Hence 4.2.2 and 4.2.3 dealing with the warnings and also adding php compatibility to latest versions. However, feel free to ignore these facts and continue with inaccurate rants, as everyone else can now see the facts.

And yes, I do understand what you're talking about, it's just that you're completely wrong.
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Old 07 Sep 2014, 22:44
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Originally Posted by ozzy47 View Post
If you have issues with the software and how it is coded, and what may have been or not been told to you prior to purchasing, then you need to address this on vB.com.

This site is not for this type of discussions, it is about modifications and making changes to templates and such.
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