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Old 09 Apr 2012, 18:47
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IMHO the vb3 is just much much more stable than vb4, period.
The customizations is also the king. For forums with just a few modification like installed popular addons or just a custom theme it's not a problem to upgrade. But when a forum is heavily modified and there is plenty of custom code implemented in original vb files too, rewritten functions, custom written mods etc the upgrading would be a huge challenge.
And tell me what vb4 has that vb3 doesn't or cannot have with mods on?
Subject of vb3 vs vb4 has been discussed hundreds of times anyway just google it.
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Old 11 Apr 2012, 18:43
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I run a big board and am still on vb3. I speak to a lot of other big board owners. Most "would not touch vb4 with a ten feet pole". (exact quote)
vb4 offers nothing of interest that makes it worth while to migrate to that. It does have:
  • 800 bugs. Even though there were thousands more, 800 bugs is still an insane amount.
  • an aborted rewrite. Meaning spaghetti code and low coding quality.
  • looks just as outdated as vb3. It can not exactly compete with XF or IPB. lol.
  • the vbCMS suicide issue
  • various unwanted addons no one asked for. (which can be disabled)
So with these handicaps, what does it offer to make it worthwhile to upgrade?
Currently nothing that I see within vbulletin.

What is worth considering is certain addons only available for vb4.
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Old 11 Apr 2012, 18:55
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I run a couple of vb4's and I like each release more and more BUT my main forum is on 3.8 and I've no immediate plans to upgrade (even though I was in the vb4 presale rush.) I'm hopeful of a summer upgrade but I was hopeful last summer too.
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Old 11 Apr 2012, 20:19
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Originally Posted by Alfa1 View Post
I run a big board and am still on vb3. I speak to a lot of other big board owners. Most "would not touch vb4 with a ten feet pole". (exact quote)
vb4 offers nothing of interest that makes it worth while to migrate to that. It does have:
  • 800 bugs. Even though there were thousands more, 800 bugs is still an insane amount.
  • an aborted rewrite. Meaning spaghetti code and low coding quality.
  • looks just as outdated as vb3. It can not exactly compete with XF or IPB. lol.
  • the vbCMS suicide issue
  • various unwanted addons no one asked for. (which can be disabled)
So with these handicaps, what does it offer to make it worthwhile to upgrade?
Currently nothing that I see within vbulletin.

What is worth considering is certain addons only available for vb4.
*sigh*

1. No it doesnt (as has been pointed out to you time and time again).
2. I'll grant you its a bit spaghetti in places, but most users dont care about the code. Calling it "Low Quality" is just pure rubbish.
3. Thats pure personal opinion, not fact.
4. What ? Talk about being a drama queen, Suicide ? I dont think so.
5. The fact you dont care for them is again purely personal preference, not fact.
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Old 11 Apr 2012, 20:51
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Again and again this question Finally it became boring. Everybody has it own reasons to use one version or the other. All reasons are respectfull but ...follow your heart as a well known slongan says.
The company gives you the freedom to download any version you want. If you're expecting to find the right answer here, you're wasting your time. There is no right answer.

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Old 11 Apr 2012, 21:06
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Alfa1, why is it you're in virtually every vB4 thread (on here and .com) posting negative and, often, downright false comments?
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Old 11 Apr 2012, 21:20
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I think vBulletin 3 is the best, if you think it looks outdated, go make custom theme or something. It functions right, it runs great, nothing to complain about. vB4 doesn't bring much in the table, in my opinion. Sure, it has new code and whatnot, but still, nothing that can't be done in vBulletin 3. Latest Posts, etc. Sidebars can definitely be done in vB3. Dun know, just giving my opinion.
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Old 11 Apr 2012, 22:54
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Originally Posted by Paul M View Post
*sigh*

1. No it doesnt (as has been pointed out to you time and time again).
2. I'll grant you its a bit spaghetti in places, but most users dont care about the code. Calling it "Low Quality" is just pure rubbish.
3. Thats pure personal opinion, not fact.
4. What ? Talk about being a drama queen, Suicide ? I dont think so.
5. The fact you dont care for them is again purely personal preference, not fact.
Paul, I know you might be tired of those complaints.

I am one of the oldie-ones.

The fact is that my users, my moderators, myself and even my grandma hated vB4.
Due to:

- new functions nobody wanted to be implemented (great devel procedure!)
- complete rebuild of basic social functions touch & feel (example: attachment management is pure nightmare, far far far away from today's simplicity, so called Shrek technology)
- complete rebuild of server requirements followed by complete lack of professional migration hand-out & explanation (yeah, the small ones could migrate. not me.)
- vbcms is a mistake, if you go over a market of cms-systems of today; it looks and works like in 1980's; we do run FREE OF CHARGE system, which is eons better than your paid one;
- run away from table html to div format for a text based, multilingual forums because of some nuts told you to do so... maybe because it is a fashion... my forums are smashed with it. surely becasue I am stupid and agressive.

Last but not least. We're having millions of users. Some of us millions of income. We choose to vb3 because of its stability and predictability. We finance you. And you give a shit about us.

What a great customer service.

Bye.
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Old 12 Apr 2012, 01:46
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I personally LOVE how VB 3 was and VB4 was a pain to work with. Still I do run one forum on VB3 (didn't like the idea to pay again almost full price to upgrade to 4) and 2 forums on VB4. Never had the idea to 'downgrade the 2 of them to VB3 though, even if there are many forums still using the previous version and using it well
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Old 12 Apr 2012, 05:07
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Large sites generally dont upgrade unless they need too, why does everyone feel that because there is a new version every site has to upgrade. Large forum owners or in many cases large company forums do have so many custom modification it wouldnt be cost effective to upgrade , expense wise or time wise.

They also have the resources to maintain, develop and secure highly customised board so they rarely have any need for external support or support from such people as vbulletin them selves.

There isnt a massive conspiracy as to why some forums dont upgrade, VB4 is a better system.

It will be a case with many people though, why fix something that isnt broken.

I wasnt aware that your board was brand new when you said you downgraded however which is why i thought it was suicide waiting to happen, but still starting a new board i would want to remain in the loop for as long as possible rather than jumping back on a script which doesnt have the support it once did.
I once asked here why this site wasn't upgraded, I got several answers and they were all the same thing: "Why fix something that isn't broken?"
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Old 12 Apr 2012, 17:40
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Of course vb crew will defend vb4 as much as they can, that's their work to do.
Well, there are some good things in vb4 but bad ones dominate imo. The only think I find in vb4 that interests me are some mods that are not available for vb3. I've tested many forum scripts including new xenforo, phpbb3, smf, ipboard, vb4, and I still would pick vb3 over any other.
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Old 12 Apr 2012, 18:46
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Of course vb crew will defend vb4 as much as they can, that's their work to do.
I don't think that vb crew defend vB4, but I think is boring (if not frustating) to have to reply in a dozen of threads for the same topic. Even me I've started one (or participated to it, don't really remember). I think that sometime this topic must be left out of discussion.

Originally Posted by Chris8 View Post
Well, there are some good things in vb4 but bad ones dominate imo. The only think I find in vb4 that interests me are some mods that are not available for vb3. I've tested many forum scripts including new xenforo, phpbb3, smf, ipboard, vb4, and I still would pick vb3 over any other.
Just curiously. What type of mod you can't find for vB3? I believe that is just the opposite.

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Old 13 Apr 2012, 20:45
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Originally Posted by ChrisTERiS View Post
I don't think that vb crew defend vB4, but I think is boring (if not frustating) to have to reply in a dozen of threads for the same topic. Even me I've started one (or participated to it, don't really remember). I think that sometime this topic must be left out of discussion.



Just curiously. What type of mod you can't find for vB3? I believe that is just the opposite.

Chris
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For example your one, classified adds mod, you released once vb4 version here (I think you have removed it then not so long ago) but never vb3.

Another good example would be vbblog made by vBulletin Solutions themselves, vb4 comes with it but vb3 vbblog not only is abandoned as for development but also totally difficult to get because vbulletin decided to no longer offer it, whatever the reasons are and the license can be obtained only from a third party which is huge pain. That's really mayor addon I think and many people constantly ask about it.

Some coders also abandon development of vb3 versions of their mods while they still continue with vb4 versions which is quite logical especially when they upgraded their own boards as well.

Well, there are plenty of other mods available for vb4 but not for vb3 and vice versa. I think there is no point in listing them all here. Nonetheless I'm not complaining, if I really need something I write it or I hire someone to write it for me treating it as the cost of business and fun. As long as vb3 is still there to buy and download and security updates are released it's all good I think. However, people should have the right of choice, especially when they paid for it.
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Old 14 Apr 2012, 03:16
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VB4
is more faster than vb3
and I like the VB3 style and look
also to view one post was a good option in VB3

I'm same to see the big Forums and the high rank at Alexa.com still use VB3

I think latest version of VB3 is secure as latest version of VB4
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Old 14 Apr 2012, 03:47
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Yea I don't know why they got rid of showing one post.
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