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Old 03 Dec 2015, 15:28
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That skin looks awfully familiar... like the debutant one at themecrate.

btw thanks for that post Max, got me looking into this again. So far so good with under 300 KB of load on my side. I'm going to look into making some tables (<divs>) responsive & see if they help.

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Old 03 Dec 2015, 18:08
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Originally Posted by final kaoss View Post
That skin looks awfully familiar... like the debutant one at themecrate.
That's exactly what it is, after some major adjustments.
So far so good with under 300 KB of load on my side.
That's not a accurate, real world test. This is.
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Old 03 Dec 2015, 23:06
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I use gtmetrix more than webpagetest for a few reasons.

I can better see what's going on with the more detailed yslow & pagespeed reports.
I can filter external resources with the adblock filter supplied so that I only see "local" resources.
Also, the history tracking comes in pretty handy.
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Old 03 Dec 2015, 23:24
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Was only pointing out, that test was inaccurate. Both in total requests and also in KB delivered.

I prefer to see the real picture.
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Old 03 Dec 2015, 23:31
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Actually the results aren't that different for me.

507 kb & 64 requests on gtmetrix (with adblock off), you'll have to do a new test with it off
580 kb & 64 requests on webpage test

The difference being slightly different due to different adsense ads.
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Old 03 Dec 2015, 23:38
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Originally Posted by final kaoss View Post
Actually the results aren't that different for me.

507 kb & 64 requests on gtmetrix (with adblock off), you'll have to do a new test with it off
580 kb & 64 requests on webpage test

The difference being slightly different due to different adsense ads.
Yeah, I don't worry about adblock or what that does to testing. I just test with real browsers, what the real browsers see. And we're still not anywhere near the 300kb you were talking before.

But, the test I ran comes up with 867kb for you, not anything like 580. I linked it here. Can you link me to the WPT you did there that's giving you 580kb?
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Old 03 Dec 2015, 23:42
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Here you go.
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/151204_AX_232/

Also, use the adblocker from gtmetrix and you'll see results under 300 KB.
https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.vid...t.com/1O5FVK81

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Old 04 Dec 2015, 00:00
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Originally Posted by final kaoss View Post
This is as I suspected, you're testing with Chrome. Chrome does not give you the true picture because in order to give the illusion and make the claim that it is "faster" it ignores and therefore doesn't render, certain types of requests. To get real world, worst-case performance testing with WPT, always use IE 11 because when you pass that standard, you also pass on all other browsers.

I stay with the hardest test and only with the one test, in a scientific approach to solve problems. I don't shop around and fudge things and change test parameters to get illusions or things I want to see. I want to see how bad it really is. The WPT I posted before, IS what your site's performance really is. And i didn't even go into mobile performance there.

Also, use the adblocker from gtmetrix and you'll see results under 300 KB.
https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.vid...t.com/1O5FVK81
That's not really relevant, it's only showing you what the adblocker removes. Not what the vast majority of the public is loading.


Edit to add: Plus, you're not even testing the same page of your site, with the WPT you just linked! Here is the page you opriginally tested and the one I tested:


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There's a big difference. Let's test the same page, at least.
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Old 04 Dec 2015, 00:07
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I just did a test with IE11 on WPT. I have yet to see anything over 800 KB when I test.
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/151204_M5_2XN/

63 requests & 560 kb. Nothing is failing to load compared to the other 2 browsers.
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Old 04 Dec 2015, 00:12
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Originally Posted by final kaoss View Post
I just did a test with IE11 on WPT. I have yet to see anything over 800 KB when I test.
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/151204_M5_2XN/

63 requests & 560 kb. Nothing is failing to load compared to the other 2 browsers.
You're not testing the same page you originally referenced.
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Old 04 Dec 2015, 00:15
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Have you not noticed that every post after that has been on my forum home page? That one you're linking to was just an example.
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Old 04 Dec 2015, 00:21
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Have you not noticed that every post after that has been on my forum home page? That one you're linking to was just an example.
All I did was test your original, referenced page. And those results were accurate, while your test you referenced on that exact page, were not. I didn't change pages or test conditions.

So, with you still using the native vBulletin mobile style for mobile (No idea how we got to talking about your full style in a mobile browsing thread) what's your objections and concerns with it? Do your members like it?
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Old 04 Dec 2015, 00:24
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So, with you still using the native vBulletin mobile style for mobile (No idea how we got to talking about your full style in a mobile browsing thread) what's your objections and concerns with it? Do your members like it?
I was thinking about trying to make those segments I listed on the first post of page 2 here be responsive... without much luck lol. They made a mess when they coded this damn thing. That's how.

Anyways, so far, people are asking why it looks different but they like it.
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Old 04 Dec 2015, 00:27
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Originally Posted by final kaoss View Post
I was thinking about trying to make those segments I listed on the first post of page 2 here be responsive... without much luck lol. That's how.

Anyways, so far, people are asking why it looks different but they like it.
One thing to try, just for laughs:

Download a copy of the mobile style XML and one of your desktop style XML.

Go in and load the desktop style you downloaded, as a new style and call it something different from all others.

Then load the mobile style XML, again naming it differently.

Then, try the "merge styles" feature, merging these two styles. See what results.
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Old 04 Dec 2015, 00:39
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lol that would be a fun test but it won't let me download it.

This shows when trying to grab the xml

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