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Old 17 May 2006, 02:57
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Hello, I understand that some of you are frustrated and feel underappreciated. The staff here have taken notice and they are working feverishly to fix this. What I would like to do is relay some of the information to you as this is your community.

When this site was first conceived, the addon authors went out of their way to help others. They didn't look down on you if you didn't know PHP and thought that it was against the vBulletin philosophy to do so. vBulletin is created in a way where you do not need to know how to write PHP code or run a MySQL Query. A lot of functionality is geared towards non-technical people. Without specific numbers, I would say 30% of all new customers know little more than how to use a web browser on their computers.

In order to support these customers, this site needs to get back to a member-helping-members mentality. Taking your hacks commercial might help line your pockets but it doesn't help this community or anyone else. Now, don't get me wrong here... I understand the need to make a buck in the modern world. In a true community though people help others. Answer questions, provide articles and tutorials. Help each other. Who knows, but that person who knows absolutely no PHP code might be an awesome accountant or publicist that can help you down the road. Everyone is more than a handle and a userid. Likewise if you utilize an addon and find it useful then thank the author and click the install button. It is a nice courtesy. The mentality of coders vs. non-coders has to end.

Everyone with a vBulletin license has a right to be here. Taking your toys and storming out of the park is not the way to handle the situation. Discussing it like mature people is. I know that things move slowly on this site and there are many reasons for that. Hopefully that will change in the near future. There are several discussions going on now amongst the staff regarding this and other issues with the site. As more becomes known, we will pass the information on to you.

Up until now you haven't had an active role in developing this community. Currently the staff is being restructured with defined roles. This will also open up new staff positions. Once the new staff structure is in place, the different positions will act as liaisons to get work done on the site. This can include new styles, new functionality or redesigning existing functionality. Different projects will be outlines and individual projects will be worked on similar to an open source methodology with the sharing of ideas among peers.
So in short, I ask that you bear with the staff here for a while longer. They are striving to work in the community's best interest.

While I am at it, I would like to ask that those coders that have removed their modifications to please return them and stick with us a bit longer. With your cooperation, the summer of 2006 will see some changes on this site.

As more information becomes available it will be posted. In fact, I hope to have some information for you next week. Until then please work with the staff instead of against them. They want what is best for this site as much as you do.
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Old 17 May 2006, 03:05
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Old 17 May 2006, 03:12
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Thank you, getting back to this type of a "helping" mentality is good for all parties involved.
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Old 17 May 2006, 03:19
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Old 17 May 2006, 04:02
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hey im all for helping anyone!
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Old 17 May 2006, 04:07
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i'm real new here (barely 2 months) and i'm just learning the ways of vbulletin and php as a whole. i try to put in my 2 cents on the areas i know when someone has a problem and i appreciate the help i get form the coders/designers/experts/etc. if it wasn't for this site and all the people on it, then i'd be using a stock, out of the box vbulletin site. i hope to give more back as i learn more as well. thanks to the staff for noticing other's concerns and taking action so we can all stick around and help each other make our respective sites individual successes
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Old 17 May 2006, 06:45
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It's going to take a lot more than a staff restructure to change the general feeling in the community. It's going to need a change in their mentality.

And to the new mods here, don't fall victim to the ego which has consumed so many of the staff members here, myself included for a while.
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Old 17 May 2006, 06:48
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With that said Wayne, I will return to help and support the community with what you guys have taught me in the past. I feel that my thread had arose some major hell and I feel bad for it. I hope no one thinks badly about me now, but I was just trying to express how I felt. Anyways, I'm happy to hear that this is taking place and I would like to help in anyway possiable. I'll start with releasing and supporting my hacks again.
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Old 17 May 2006, 07:14
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How about giving vBCast is own forum like what was agreed on by all the staff here except the one person that ran their mouth to add fuel to the fire, Zach.


We didn't want to start doing BBCast and talk about all the bulletin softwares, as we prefer vbulletin, but after being dragged through the dirt for so long.

I love how we were told to start our own board for a show that is dedicated to your software that we work sooo hard on.
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Old 17 May 2006, 07:26
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Corrie, nothing personal. But your not helping any more if your just going to name names and point fingers when you post. Thats what this thread is trying to prevent.
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Old 17 May 2006, 07:27
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Corrie, nothing personal. But your not helping any more if your just going to name names and point fingers when you post. Thats what this thread is trying to prevent.

Funny that you say that... You know you will never become a mod because you have vbhackers.....
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Old 17 May 2006, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
this site needs to get back to a member-helping-members mentality

and

Help each other. Who knows, but that person who knows absolutely no PHP code might be an awesome accountant or publicist that can help you down the road. Everyone is more than a handle and a userid.

and

The mentality of coders vs. non-coders has to end.
These points stuck out for me. Your post was well articulated, Wayne.
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Old 17 May 2006, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Corriewf
Funny that you say that... You know you will never become a mod because you have vbhackers.....
Is it better if it comes from me?
Fore the record, i see your point.
Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
this site needs to get back to a member-helping-members mentality

and

Help each other. Who knows, but that person who knows absolutely no PHP code might be an awesome accountant or publicist that can help you down the road. Everyone is more than a handle and a userid.

and

The mentality of coders vs. non-coders has to end.
I am very happy to read this, Wayne Luke.

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Old 17 May 2006, 11:28
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Originally Posted by Corriewf
Funny that you say that... You know you will never become a mod because you have vbhackers.....
Corrie,

This thread is to set a positive attitude here. Your post doesn't help in this.

Keep this thread a general thread about how to improve the attitude here on the board, and refrain yourself from making statements about other people.

Thank you.
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Old 17 May 2006, 12:34
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As a pure non-coder, and a truly php-challenged user, I greatly appreciate the work that everyone here does.
It really makes me happy when I can install something and get it to work the way the designer intended. And sometimes that doesn't work out, and I am inpressed with the help I get here. I don't post much, but I come here a lot to read and learn.
This is really a fabulous community.
Often when I install mods, I will show friends and say "can you beleive how terrific this new tool and, and even better, can you beleive it is free".
I really enjoy this site and hope all of the exisiting talented coders stay and nuture the upcoming folks.
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