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Old 27 Sep 2010, 15:28
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Originally Posted by Paul M View Post
I think they are starting to believe their own hype.

There is a vote on how many licences will you buy on the first day - guess what, it had no option for "none". Seriously ?

In another case, people asked about getting the feature where you double click on the forum icon to mark the whole forum read. It would appear they refuse to add this because its not an obvious feature !! {against some standard apparently}. So please dont ask for any feature that contradicts one of these "standards".

Kier went on to say he should never have added the feature into [that product I used to develop for] - refusing to simply say vBulletin. Thats just sad.
Yes, I noticed that as well at that Poll. The fun will start when they will buy xenforo. Then we will see for how long it will still be the greatest thing since the slice bread

Personally I was planning to buy a copy the first day, just to test it, out of curiousity more than anything else, but all that hype and fanboysim there turned me off completly.
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Old 27 Sep 2010, 15:29
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Originally Posted by blind-eddie View Post
I am not sure if I speak for others but, I am sick of hearing about XenForo. ....Good luck to you I applaud the makers of XenForo for branching out on your own, but this is still a vbulletin hack discussion board....Why allow free advertisement for XenForo on an official vbulletin hack site?

Take this discussion to their forum.....
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Old 27 Sep 2010, 16:39
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One thing is for sure, the teams at both vb.com and vb.org are extremely professional. Where as over there, they might be great coders but they really need to read their Business 101 a lot.
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Old 27 Sep 2010, 17:39
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Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
And I am wondering if that hype is not fake? For a forum to have such a hype and for both developers to keep on adding their 2 cents seconds after a fan kisser gets straighten out got me wondering if it's not them using multiple different users.
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What bugs me the most is the mindset that the fewer options there are the better... Anything that someone may not use they say "Make it an add-on" rather than something that can be turned on and off via the control panel. With that thinking it's going to take dozens of mods (assuming they ever even get developed) to make it anywhere close to VB3's functionality out of the box. They need to realize for better or worse vB is the market leader- when someone goes to a forum the first time they expect it will work like vBulletin does.
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Yes, I noticed that as well at that Poll. The fun will start when they will buy xenforo. Then we will see for how long it will still be the greatest thing since the slice bread

Personally I was planning to buy a copy the first day, just to test it, out of curiousity more than anything else, but all that hype and fanboysim there turned me off completly.
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One thing is for sure, the teams at both vb.com and vb.org are extremely professional. Where as over there, they might be great coders but they really need to read their Business 101 a lot.
Hear hear!

I read, I saw, you all conquered... no though, seriously I have noticed some awkward behavior and hate to hear that Lionel, you have always been a very positive and professional person from every post I have read so I choose to believe your word over theirs (if they even have a reply as to why it was done). I will be looking into xenForo when it's released i.e. purchase but from a business standpoint, nothing more... still sad to see all those who were ready to jump ship weeks ago and even today.. plus we are paying to Beta test? I thought there were enough negative people on here already accusing vBulletin of releasing vB4 and stating it's crap and still beta so how is that helping you if your one of those "types"????

I'm completely lost in regards to the "stand" or "point" many of you are taking and making when your not well informed!
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Old 27 Sep 2010, 17:56
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Here is the post that I am referring to. The boy named Brogan kept on being aggressive towards me. I ignored him all along. Then finally I told him that agressiveness indicates a lack of intelligence. They then closed the thread, deleted a few of his posts and my single answer to him. After that they edited that boy last post to soften his tone.
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Old 27 Sep 2010, 18:07
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Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
Here is the post that I am referring to. The boy named Brogan kept on being aggressive towards me. I ignored him all along. Then finally I told him that agressiveness indicates a lack of intelligence. They then closed the thread, deleted a few of his posts and my single answer to him. After that they edited that boy last post to soften his tone.
You are completly right Lionel. It seems like all that hype it has gone to their head and they have started to become arrogant and rude. But if they keep that up xenforo won''t get too far.

P.s. The very same thing happened to me as well there with another fand boy you know what kisser.
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Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
Here is the post that I am referring to. The boy named Brogan kept on being aggressive towards me. I ignored him all along. Then finally I told him that agressiveness indicates a lack of intelligence. They then closed the thread, deleted a few of his posts and my single answer to him. After that they edited that boy last post to soften his tone.
Simple email notification or go through the motions to setup your smart phone to receive this or that.. yes it would be extra work and their is a difference in how things are sent and received. I never thought xF would be missing email notifications.. is that just the main site that refuses to accommodate the rest of us or will that be a missing feature in the Beta next week? I won't be able to mass-email members if I use it? No admincp/email.php??? Really? No... surely not...

Originally Posted by borbole View Post
You are completly right Lionel. It seems like all that hype it has gone to their head and they have started to become arrogant and rude. But if they keep that up xenforo won''t get too far.

P.s. The very same thing happened to me as well there with another fand boy you know what kisser.
@Lionel and Borbole,

Ahh but remember I'm already partially known as a vB-Fanboy so some will ignore my statements but long story short they run the boards so they acted how they saw fit, I would have went about it differently but that's me and your you so to each his own and never forget that some people should be on their own, in a galaxy far far away from others.. especially if they are making decisions without being well informed or replying to subjects that should be replied to by staff.
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Old 27 Sep 2010, 18:48
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so they acted how they saw fit
Lack of vision!
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Old 28 Sep 2010, 09:46
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I've decided not to buy XenForo. The way some people are treated and spoken to on their site has, unfortunately, turned me away from the product at this time (Not by the developers, but the ones desperate for XenForo Developer love). I also don't like the "fanboy" attitude and arse lickers, starting their own xen sites to either cash in or get some more loving towards the Developers. Also, for just a forum it's fine and they have done a good job and I wish them well, but people tend to want more than that and it's missing a lot. There is nothing new I feel, just different ways in implementation.
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Old 28 Sep 2010, 13:42
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I don't care whether you buy it or not, but it's pretty vicious to make nebulous comments like "the way some people are treated and spoken to." What people, and by whom? "Some" people lets you slander an entire community without ever having to back up your statement with facts, or be specific. It makes you no better than these vague nameless people you're complaining about.
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Old 28 Sep 2010, 14:00
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Originally Posted by lostgirl815 View Post
I don't care whether you buy it or not, but it's pretty vicious to make nebulous comments like "the way some people are treated and spoken to." What people, and by whom? "Some" people lets you slander an entire community without ever having to back up your statement with facts, or be specific. It makes you no better than these vague nameless people you're complaining about.
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Old 28 Sep 2010, 14:34
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Originally Posted by lostgirl815 View Post
I don't care whether you buy it or not, but it's pretty vicious to make nebulous comments like "the way some people are treated and spoken to." What people, and by whom? "Some" people lets you slander an entire community without ever having to back up your statement with facts, or be specific. It makes you no better than these vague nameless people you're complaining about.
I think bringing up specific usernames here when those people might not even be members here to defend themselves is in worse taste. As someone who visits both forums I understand his statements and for the most part agree with it... it's not 1 or 2 people but the mindset of a large portion of the XF community that have drank the XF kool-aide.

Also... for a young forum only product their initial (non 1 day special) pricing seems VERY over-priced to me... Maybe in a year or two they could charge that but with the lack of features they plan on launching with I was expecting a price close to half of what was announced.
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Old 28 Sep 2010, 17:53
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Originally Posted by lostgirl815 View Post
I don't care whether you buy it or not, but it's pretty vicious to make nebulous comments like "the way some people are treated and spoken to." What people, and by whom? "Some" people lets you slander an entire community without ever having to back up your statement with facts, or be specific. It makes you no better than these vague nameless people you're complaining about.
And some people, simply put, do not read between the lines and we should not always provide names as the old saying goes, you know who you are
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Old 29 Sep 2010, 03:07
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Its new and therefore its fragile. While I do recognize what has been described the last few pages, It also needs to be considered that this is a busy community that was active instantly. That after a yr of work and uncertainty by the coders. I imagine a lot is at stake. I think things will need to stabilize first. Especially in the XF community and moderation.

I do wonder whether XenForo will follow demand for features or if XF will follow mainly its own vision. The latter is an issue that was a big problem with Jelsoft IMHO.

At the very least we are seeing competition heat up and XF adding modern UI to the mix, which is much needed.

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Old 29 Sep 2010, 05:34
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I dont think the developers should be judged entirely by the actions of some of the community members. Moderation is a very difficult task and they cannot be expected to do it perfectly all the time, just as we cant expect moderation to be perfect here all the time. Please also remember that they are in a very stressful situation with a lot of work to do and no income as yet.

I dont agree with some of the policy decisions that they have made regarding features as well, but they have a vision of xenforo and lets see where it goes. Most of the features of the basic forum software are looking good and are very stable. They are inspiring a confidence and sense of creativity which is not there in vB4 as yet.

Of course they dont have any of the mods/styles etc .. which make vBulletin so great but the have a lot of talented people backing them up. They have some good vb coders/designers there already so lets see how it goes. Honestly I think they have a good chance of competing with vbulletin sometime in the future.

Also I think this will be good for vBulletin itself because having a good competitor like xenforo will force vBulletin to improve its standards as well. Forum communities will benefit as a result.
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