[tbworld]

http://www.kkr.com/partners/portfolio-partners

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

Did this sale actually go through? Godaddy now owns IB and vB?

Yes, and No.

The sale happened. Godaddy does not own IB [or vB]. In simple terms, the same parent company owns both.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Yes, and No.

The sale happened. Godaddy does not own IB [or vB]. In simple terms, the same parent company owns both.

I know.

[joeychgo]

Originally Posted by Zachery

The largest issue is the fact we don't have the php hook/plugin system or a proper replacement for it.

I disagree. IMO the largest issue is that many of the people that made vb 3 & 4 mods have left and gone to another software platform. I see it all the time, you check when the developers was last on vb.org and its been months or longer.

[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by joeychgo

I disagree. IMO the largest issue is that many of the people that made vb 3 & 4 mods have left and gone to another software platform. I see it all the time, you check when the developers was last on vb.org and its been months or longer.

And a big part of the reason for that is that there's no plugin system for them to work with.

[ozzy47]

Originally Posted by Mark.B

And a big part of the reason for that is that there's no plugin system for them to work with.

Amen

[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by BigJimTheLug

So plugins are integral to vbulletin functionality and development? It seems so.

Any idea why the plugin system was removed from the software?

No, plugins are deemed important to the modding community. I only know this because the modding community themselves have said so.

I do not know the thinking behind removing them. Technically they weren't removed, they just weren't weren't built into the new vB5 code.

It's possible to write add ons without them but it's harder and it's quite a learning curve.

[borbole]

Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman

Zachery I like you bud but if common sense does not tell you nor management that its a priority then I've lost all hope for you.

Very well said. Could not agree more.

[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by BigJimTheLug

Well, if something integral was not included in a piece of software, and the software was known for this feature by the modders, then a cynical view is that maybe v5 was to make vbulletin a more exclusive product by not allowing your average joe the ability to learn how to create plugins and addons.

The learning curve can't be that bad, but I'm speaking as a person with a CS background that will finish up the CS degree fairly soon.

Your seeing conspiracy theories where none exist.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the end result, the original intention was to make things better. It always is.

--------------- Added 15 Jul 2014 at 20:28 ---------------

Originally Posted by borbole

Very well said. Could not agree more.

Zachery, like myself, is just explaining how best to help drive such change forward.

Neither he, nor I, nor any of the support team, actually make such decisions.

What I will say, is that it's surprising how much change HAS been effected, by doing things via the 'right' channels. Voting is a part of that.

--------------- Added 15 Jul 2014 at 20:29 ---------------

I hate post merging with a vengeance!!!!!

[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by BigJimTheLug

It's not a conspiracy theory. I quantified my view as cynical. The view, while not supported, is there. Instead of view, we can call it an interpretation, however, it is not meant to be hostile. It is just discussion, that is all.

Secondly, vb5 was supposed to make things better, but it is evident that it came with sacrifice and change.

Cynical it may be, I'm merely observing that it is also wrong.

[mokujin]

Not sure if you guys are talking about TAZ, or vB5.
I think if IB will listen to their customers (or fans) then they could have the best forum software again.
XF > vB 4 > vB 3 > vB5 at the moment

[cellarius]

They have actively ignored their customers for over five years now. From those who coded the abundance of free vB3 and vB4 addons, hardly anyone is left. And that's not just because there's no plugin system anymore. Look at xF: They have no plugin system, the learning curve is pretty similar to vB5, and yet there's plenty of addons being coded. It's just that hardly anyone that witnessed the vB4 and vB5 release desasters still thinks that IB has a clue what they're doing and that coding for software in the state of vB5 is worthwhile. Most addons here came from people who used vB themselves, coded what they needed and wanted themselves, then shared with the community. IB suceeded in practically destroying this, and those with enough coding skill to make good addons quickly saw that they never would "upgrade" to something like vB5.

[joeychgo]

I agree.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Mark.B

I do not know the thinking behind removing them. Technically they weren't removed, they just weren't weren't built into the new vB5 code.

That's not actually correct Mark.

They were removed - I was given the task of removing them after we completed 4.2.0.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by joeychgo

I agree.

In many cases, yes.

The large number of vb3/vb4 mods were written by people who created them for themselves first, then released them here - a prime example being myself. All the mods I wrote and released here were things I created for myself in vB3. Allthough I did also port them all to vB4 as well, even though I dont have a vB4 forum.