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Old 27 Apr 2005, 14:32
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Contacting the author works. It's really that easy.

If the author aint around and you are passionate about the hack, just do the necessary support in the existing thread. Post your "patches" or "mods" and gain the respect of the other users of the hack.

If you are up to par, things will fall in to place naturally.
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Old 27 Apr 2005, 17:31
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Thanks for the input from everyone!

The objective of this forum would be to "hook up" those that would be willing to adopt a hack with a hack in need of adoption ... plus the added security for the original author that he was leaving his hack in the hands of someone he/she trusted.

Unless as a hacker you spend countless hours reading through the threads of other mods, I doubt you realize how many times a coder announces they are regretfully "moving on". And frequently, when they do, there remains no way to contact them.

If this were ever your choice, wouldn't you prefer to have an option to place your hack(s) up for adoption?
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Old 27 Apr 2005, 18:33
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I figure this could take place in the lounge and doesn't need a special forum. I don't see it happening very often.

The thing is, nobody really needs to get permission to support another author's hack or to post bug fixes. All they have to do is start helping out in the hack's thread. I have posted help or fixes to countless hacks in the hack thread when the author was busy or I found a bug. Others have posted fixes or additions to my hacks. That's the way this place is supposed to work.

Ultimately, a hack is sort of like a used car. It's given to the community "as is" and you have no reason to expect otherwise. What makes this place work is that if the hack is useful, others in the community chime in with fixes and feature additions.

If you see a hack that needs work, do the work and then share it in the hack's thread. Problem solved.
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Old 27 Apr 2005, 23:49
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Perhaps instead of a special forum, simply provide a flag which hack creators could make to mark their hacks clearly as some modified open source type of licensing that would cover the "grey" areas between following the VB rules in regards to releasing hacks here to not be displaying VB's code to everybody and a true open source code file. Or people could just say that when they release it....
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Old 28 Apr 2005, 03:21
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Originally Posted by spence2
Why ask for site feedback when the most anyone ever gets as a response is a defense of the status quo?

Respecfully, Erwin, do you not feel the present system could be improved?
I wasn't being defensive, I was just stating the obvious.

The issue is whether we need a whole new forum for this or not.

A few things:

1. Anyone can contribute to a hack by posting improvements or bug fixes directly into the hack support thread itself. No need to get permission for this.

2. Anyone can contact a hack author to ask to actually release a new version of the the hack that is substantially improved. Usually this is done via a PM. If that doesn't work, you can email the author using the email form.

3. If you get no reply from the hack author, then you cannot go ahead and re-use the hack authors code to make a new hack out of it.

If a hack author has left vB.org, having a new forum does not necessarily make any difference - if he or she is not reading a PM, why would a new forum be any different?

Possible solutions:

1. Have a checkbox when you submit a hack to say "Yes I allow this hack to be taken over by another hacker" or "No I will not allow anyone else to develop this hack".

The problem with this is that initially not many would choose to say "Yes".

2. A hack author, when he or she feels there is no longer an urge to continue developing a hack, can post in his or her hack support thread and just announce that the hack may be taken over.

I don't see why option 2 is not used more often.

I guess what I am trying to say is that a whole new forum may not be required.
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Old 28 Apr 2005, 04:21
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Of course, this is what is happening now:

2. A hack author, when he or she feels there is no longer an urge to continue developing a hack, can post in his or her hack support thread and just announce that the hack may be taken over.

I don't see why option 2 is not used more often.

I guess what I am trying to say is that a whole new forum may not be required.
My reasoning for suggesting a new forum has to do with probability, simplification, and organization. I doubt many coders have the time or inclination to surf through all the threads here. Even if the author of a particular hack announces that they are "moving on" on post #57 of their 30 page thread ... who in the heck (realistically) would spot it?

On the other hand, if they posted in the suggested forum, everyone would easily be informed.

This seems like a "win-win" suggestion to me (but then it would; wouldn't it?).
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Old 28 Apr 2005, 05:43
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Why not just change the "Supported" tick box to a username instead. Then you can see the name of who is supporting a particular hack (which could be blank if no one is). The author could simply change this to someone else if they are no longer going to support it themselves.
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Old 28 Apr 2005, 05:50
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I don't think many coders are around just looking to take over projects. If someone wants to take over, then it is because they re interested in the hack and probably using it themself. They would know if it is was posted in the hacks thread.
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Old 29 Apr 2005, 00:22
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I or Xenon would be happy to implement any ideas that have the support of the majority of members here. As long as it is going to be used. Nothing worse than an empty forum.
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Old 29 Apr 2005, 14:44
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Originally Posted by Erwin
I or Xenon would be happy to implement any ideas that have the support of the majority of members here. As long as it is going to be used. Nothing worse than an empty forum.
yea, .. there should be another option available alongside "Supported" ... eg. "OPEN".

If the author doesn't mind if their code is used elsewhere (on another hack or extending the hack itself) they tick "OPEN" (or something similar).

This will enable others to extend/support the hack on a separate thread.

NOTE: Once "OPEN" is ticked it cannot be unticked.

something like that ... would help

just throwing ideas
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Old 29 Apr 2005, 15:00
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We prefer having only one support thread for a modification. It prevents clutter
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Old 29 Apr 2005, 15:07
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if someone takes over hack (modifies / extends it)
... they should get credit by allowing them their own thread


now, if the mods are just small additions -- yes, I agree
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Old 29 Apr 2005, 15:55
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As a vB's hack user I think that the problem with the system now is that it gets frustrating browsing thru the thread to see if there is any patches/fixes released by coders other the the author of the hack.

What I would suggest and love to see here is maybe another box/table under the hack download file table where anyone(or just coders) can upload patches and fixes which can be easy to spot by the hack consumers and maybe just make it aware that the author is not responsible for patches released by any other coder other than himself. This would probably also get rid of the "Add-On Releases" forum aswell which can be a good thing for coders and consumers.

This would be very easy to do with a few hacking to hack release threads and would not require author permission or a separate forum.

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As far as getting the permission to take over a hack, I would think that maybe erwin can adapt the Un-register Yourself(not the actual name) hack that I seen released somewhere here to this board and maybe if the user is CODER have a checkbox option if he/she would'nt mind if other coders takeover thier hack project and depending on the coder choice mark thier hacks with a flag/image so other coders would know if they can take over or not. Cool thing about this is that this could all be hidden from regular board users and viewable by coders only

OR

If un-register yourself doesn't sound like a good idea, maybe have an option under the usercp of coders to allow such permission if going inactive/leaving forum.

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Old 30 Apr 2005, 07:05
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I'm actually in this situation right now. I took over a hack (with permission) and released a new version. However, the old thread is still there and it can't be updated because no one seems to be able to get ahold of the original author.

What I'd do is create a vb.org license that applies to all submitted hacks and basically states that if you're inactive for a certain period of time, others can take over your hack as long as they include you in the credits.
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Old 30 Apr 2005, 20:13
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Steve
I'm actually in this situation right now. I took over a hack (with permission) and released a new version. However, the old thread is still there and it can't be updated because no one seems to be able to get ahold of the original author.

What I'd do is create a vb.org license that applies to all submitted hacks and basically states that if you're inactive for a certain period of time, others can take over your hack as long as they include you in the credits.
Only problem with this is that then the risk is that there could be multiple people claiming ownership of hack so all of a sudden there are multiple versions of the same hack.

Personally I like the basic idea of this thread but if a system was put into place I'd prefer that's a clean break.... that hack XYZ by user John Doe is transferring the overseeing of it to user Jane Doe; that way there is still only one version of the hack and it's clear who has taken over development of it.
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