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Old 22 Aug 2005, 16:45
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Originally Posted by Brad
Cannot reproduce would imply that the issue does not exist at all.
as does "works for me".

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'Bogus' as been used for years in most of the bug trackers I've used. Keep in mind that this system is mainly for the developers and it doesn't have to be that user friendly.
If they want users to report bugs, as Keir has requested, then it needs to be user friendly.
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 16:45
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Originally Posted by Brad
Cannot reproduce would imply that the issue does not exist at all.
Well, it wouldn't exist at all if they couldn't reproduce it, would it?
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 16:54
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Originally Posted by Boofo
Well, it wouldn't exist at all if they couldn't reproduce it, would it?
LOL

Originally Posted by Brad
'Bogus' as been used for years in most of the bug trackers I've used. Keep in mind that this system is mainly for the developers and it doesn't have to be that user friendly.
Everything should be user-friendly rgardless of group.
Only because HELLSATAN jumps over the bridge does not mean that BOOFO has to?
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 16:57
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Only because HELLSATAN jumps over the bridge does not mean that BOOFO has to?
Oh, we lost HellSatan ?!
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 17:45
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Originally Posted by princeton
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Everything should be user-friendly rgardless of group.
Only because HELLSATAN jumps over the bridge does not mean that BOOFO has to?
Well, I'm glad we cleared that up, because I wasn't sure what I should do after hellsatan jumped.
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 18:41
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Well, I'm glad we cleared that up, because I wasn't sure what I should do after hellsatan jumped.
Party ? .....
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 18:57
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If they want users to report bugs, as Keir has requested, then it needs to be user friendly.
Something that is "bogus" is something that is useless, bad or fake.

Example: This calculator is broken, it gives bogus results.
I really don't care much if it is changed, I suppose I just don't see how someone can get mad because their report was labeled bogus. All of these long-winded suggestions begin may do the same thing and I've yet to see anyone suggest something that everyone agrees on.

'User friendly' may not have been the right word for my last post. What I was trying to get at is the fact that this system has to be 'developer friendly'. The terms they are used to allow them to seperate the reports quickly when going over them.

It really doesn't matter what label you give it, there are always going to be a small number of users that get mad because what they report isn't a bug.

Again it doesn't matter to me if it is changed, I can't belive I devoted my time to posting this
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Old 22 Aug 2005, 20:05
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I think the point is still there and a valid one ... People who use RC software, in my opinion should have the curtusy to report any bug that they find. If this isn`t the case, they may as well not release it, as this is what it is for. I tend to agree with brad. I ain`t a coder, but who cares what they label the bug report I post... I`ve posted it, I`ll live to see the fantastic gold version, if they wanna say "Hey ya dosey git, this one was posted the other day" I wouldn`t care. It should give people some satisfation knowing that people are reporting things fast, and these things are being sorted fast.
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Old 23 Aug 2005, 04:55
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Although I will never quite understand why people who claim not to care "waste" their time enlightening us with the knowledge that they don't care ... :ermm: ... the term "bogus" has been changed by Michael at vB.com to "Not A Bug".

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Old 23 Aug 2005, 14:48
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Im offended by the term "Unconfirmed" since it gives the impression that no-one has bothered to even look up the bug I reported purely out of the kindness of my heart.
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Im sorry, but what this topic has turned out to be... I don't know whether to laugh, cry or shoot whoever claims they are offended by "Bogus".
And before you go shouting "You haven't ever reported a Bogus bug, you don't know what you're talking about!!!!1111one" then read it and leak saltwater.
For the lazy ones, my report stats goes as follows:
  • 2 Bogus
  • 1 Works For Me
  • 3 Working as Designed
  • 1 Duplicate
  • 7 Closed (fixed) (though I know my Unconfirmed one is gonna add to this)
  • 1 Browser bug/issue
Did I feel stupid when I reported something that later turned out to be my own fault/just bogus? Sure.
Did I stop reporting bugs because I had a few reports off the mark? No fking way.
Why? Because I love this software, and I would rather have wasted 1 minute of a developer's time by forcing him/her to type up a quick reply explaining the matter, than have caused an user (who may not have the knowledge to detect/report the bug him/herself) grief because of the bug.

If anyone pulls any more of this crap, Im gonna register the domain "carebears.org" and redirect it here
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Old 23 Aug 2005, 15:35
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you going to have the 'carebears stare' as well revan?
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Old 24 Aug 2005, 06:47
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I have to commend jelsoft about this, honestly. They have been kind enough to offer solutions to me when my "bug" gets listed as "not a bug" ... like for example the custom permissions install fix. John didn't HAVE to take the time to point out the relevant code lines that we coders need to reproduce in our scripts .... but he did .... so subsequently I showed KirbyDE the response and he now has a fix for this in his custom permissions how-to thread.

Another example ... even though stopping the page redirect during a product installation was a "suggestion", Mike was kind enough to listen to my reasons why I feel it's a "needed feature" and subsequently he will be turning this into an option for RC3 coders.

My point is good things can result from even issues deemed not to be bugs.

I'm NOT saying that suggestions should be posted there ... because you SHOULDN'T ... but if it's something you feel really really needs to happen before gold, then I do recommend "stating your case" to them. If your nice about it, maybe they will do something about it anyways.

Like they said in their announcements thread...
They won't think any less of you if a bug is reported to not be a bug.
Leave the egos at the door guys!!!
We ALL want a stable release.
Them as much as us.
AND THAT BUGS FORUM IS WHAT MAKES THAT HAPPEN!!!

Use it ... and if need be ... ABUSE IT SLIGHTLY since we are in the home stretch!!
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Old 24 Aug 2005, 23:29
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  • 17 Fixed
  • 1 Flagged for Future Version
  • 1 Confirmed
  • 1 Unconfirmed
  • 3 Bogus (1 was /me being dumb, 1 is actually a "Feature" and 1 was classified as a Feature-Request - but implemented )

Not that bad at all
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