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Old 25 Aug 2005, 15:34
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I don't think anyone is concerned about the small hacks, it's the hacks that are popular that coders could get away with charging.
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 15:46
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Originally Posted by nexialys
if you visit vb.org to have free stuff, this is not the best way to compliment the work of all coders here anyway... most of them work hard to learn this software and make it better...
Everybody works hard on vB. Even beginners. I visit vb.org cause it's a community where help can be asked and given to tune vB. Not because i can download free stuff !!!

if they want to work for free, no problem, but many would like to have a living for this, because they want to expand a software that is not even free...
It they want to work and make vB as a job, no problem. But the community is not the good place for this in my opinion.


Originally Posted by nexialys
i never had a single client owner of vB that was requesting FREE jobs... they all know that a job is paid to the value of the result... some are even asking if they can be financed to have the work provided... some guys request donations on their sites to be able to pay for some addons... that mean they value the work of the coders... they know that can't have everything for free.
Don't mix up member of a community and customer of a company. That's not the same thing.
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 15:48
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Originally Posted by exasko
I don't think anyone is concerned about the small hacks, it's the hacks that are popular that coders could get away with charging.
So do everything you can to prevent the possability of a commerical idea creeping into a coders head so that you dont have to pay for it? Hear no money, See no Money, Speak no Money

This debate is more heated than the 'Tastes Great/Less filling'. The suggestion for a feedback system was to benefit the users.

I would love a system where I could see what the users (who honestly bought the product) thought. Was it worth the money? Was the support good?
Thats one of the things that makes release threads work so well here. Its open feedback! You can quickly tell from feedback on a thread if there are problems, whether its supported or not, what others think... etc. That is worth 10x what the author says about his work.
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 15:51
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Originally Posted by cclaerhout
Don't mix up member of a community and customer of a company. That's not the same thing.
Well, how about in the case where a prerequisite to becoming a member of the community is to become a customer first Sure, anyone can sign up but only CUSTOMERS can see the code/files, etc.. It is a community of customers, so it is a bit different... it is not all black/white.

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Old 25 Aug 2005, 15:52
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I would love a system where I could see what the users (who honestly bought the product) thought. Was it worth the money? Was the support good?
Could you not create this on your website for your customers to fill out after they purchase a hack from you, and done business with you.
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 15:54
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Originally Posted by exasko
Could you not create this on your website for your customers
Sure, but as a Jelsoft customer going through a directory of 3rd party enhancments... I dont want to see what they say about it... I want to see what the community says about it.

Its not a do-or-die... its just what I would look for when I would browse it.
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 15:55
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If the hack is popular, why the hell should the coder not be rewarded for his work?
I mean the reason why I work extremely slow on my RPG is because the only reason for me to do so is to learn new PHP tricks. I'm not getting anything back from this community or any other, nor do I see any donations coming my way.
Besides from a reputation that may land me coding jobs, of course.
But still, a few stray jobs here and there aren't going to buy me much.
Im not saying that by making my RPG paid, I will be using $100 notes as toilet paper and use them for lighting cigars, but it would make the years (I use plural as the hack has passed its 1 year anniversary here at the org) I spent on it worth my while.
(Just for the record, given the fact that Ive publically stated in my installer file aswell as in a previous thread on this forum that my RPG will forever remain free, that is how it shall be. I just used it as an example, as it is one of the most extensive mods on this site.)

I can only speak for myself and a few coding mates from this site I have talked to when I say that free === no motivation.
No, the carebear "sharing is reward enough. Free software FTW!" crap ain't gonna cut it.
I don't like to pay for software (be it $5 or $500) any more than any of you, but I have to look at it from a coder's point of view as well.
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 15:58
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*straches head*

From this:
I would love a system where I could see what the users (who honestly bought the product) thought. Was it worth the money? Was the support good?
Thats one of the things that makes release threads work so well here. Its open feedback! You can quickly tell from feedback on a thread if there are problems, whether its supported or not, what others think... etc. That is worth 10x what the author says about his work.
How would you tell that by a directory if the author provides good support?
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 16:02
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Originally Posted by yoyoyoyo
Well, how about in the case where a prerequisite to becoming a member of the community is to become a customer first Sure, anyone can sign up but only CUSTOMERS can see the code/files, etc.. It is a community of customers, so it is a bit different... it is not all black/white.
The sign up system is to avoid piracy (french community is still waiting to be reconize as official to have such a tool... ). Vb.org does't exist to make the Vbulletin's aftermarket service. The community of customers is on vbulletin official website.

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Old 25 Aug 2005, 16:03
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Alright, look at it like this. If all of the vBulletin hacks that were popular over time became all paid hacks this would hurt vBulletin as a company. Because after that happens, vBulletin won't have vBulletin.org to entice new people to purchase the vBulletin software.

See where they are coming from?

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Old 25 Aug 2005, 16:03
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If people could post comments and/or ratings on the directory link then it would provide people with honest feedback.
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 16:04
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I'd like to see some sort of directory of paids hacks, simply because I think signatures are a terrible place to advertise hacks and such and I automatically skip over them after a while.
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 16:09
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What if:

1) Commercial Add-ons should not modify code any more than necessary. They should be concentrated on Products and Plugins.
2) There was a certification program that verified that the work was created to vBulletin standards as laid out to the programmer/designer. In order to be listed you would need to be a part of this program.
3) Instead of listing and making commercial hacks available, the listings would be links to the provider themselves.
4) The provider list included Designers, Style sites, Add-on/Extension developers, Hosting Companies and for-hire programmers.
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Old 25 Aug 2005, 16:12
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Frankly, I have witnessed too many personality clashes and vendettas on these forums to "trust" that any rating system/feedback would necessarily reflect the quality of any commercial script.
And how in the heck would Jelsoft know if the person commenting actually purchased the software from the 3rd party vendor? And would the vendor be allowed to respond to negative feedback? And does Jelsoft want to play hall monitor?
2) There was a certification program that verified that the work was created to vBulletin standards as laid out to the programmer/designer. In order to be listed you would need to be a part of this program.
Control ... control ... control!

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Old 25 Aug 2005, 16:13
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So you mean a 'certified vB partner' program?

Its an improvement, but may cause as many problems as anything.

Who is going to validate the code?
What about future products?
Future upgrades?
What if a serious security flaw appears AFTER you have given it the gold chaquita bannana sticker?

Im just chuffed theres a constructive discussion about it now

Originally Posted by spence2
Frankly, I have witnessed too many personality clashes and vendettas on these forums to "trust" that any rating system/feedback would necessarily reflect the quality of any commercial script.
And how in the heck would Jelsoft know if the person commenting actually purchased the software from the 3rd party vendor? And would the vendor be allowed to respond to negative feedback? And does Jelsoft want to play hall monitor?

And the LAST thing I want to see is Jelsoft "recommending" commercial products. How unfair would that be to new developers! Why build a better mouse trap if Jelsoft has given it's thumbs-up to my soon-to-be competitor?
(crikey im on a posting roll)

I agree spence... ratings are useless when they can be taken advantage of. Thats why I was trying to brainstorm on a way that only those that purchased could give feedback. Maybe only once.

It was just a thought - I can see the difficulty in it though.

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