Register Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
  #61  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 18:29
Wayne Luke's Avatar
Wayne Luke Wayne Luke is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Real name: Wayne
Originally Posted by john1744
How about a new site? Maybe an offshoot of vb.org, where you could create 3rd party apps. It would be a sister-site of vb.com and vb.org but would also be independant in much the way the current system is. Have a feedback system, but also set up a panel of some of the better coders, and maybe 1 vb.com or vb.org staff member with some free time, to test the code, and certify it for release. Then it could get feedback from the userbase.
We just merged vBulletinTemplates and this site to lower confusion among our customers. While another site is a possibility, it would be much nicer to have a single resource.
__________________
Wayne Luke
Get started with your own social network. Purchase and download vBulletin today.
  #62  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 18:31
Wayne Luke's Avatar
Wayne Luke Wayne Luke is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Real name: Wayne
Originally Posted by Paul M
Maybe I missed something, but i thought the whole point of vb.org was for people to share hacks for FREE. I do not believe paid hacks have any place here. Simple as that to me.
Every site must evolve to serve the needs of its visitors. These needs are not being met currently which is why there are half a dozen style sites out there, multiple vBulletin hack resources and a disjointed collection of commercial venture sites. This all takes away from "The Ultimate vBulletin Resource".
__________________
Wayne Luke
Get started with your own social network. Purchase and download vBulletin today.
  #63  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 18:48
Logikos Logikos is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
Every site must evolve to serve the needs of its visitors. These needs are not being met currently which is why there are half a dozen style sites out there, multiple vBulletin hack resources and a disjointed collection of commercial venture sites. This all takes away from "The Ultimate vBulletin Resource".
So then buy the name vBulletin-Commerical.com
__________________
Full Time PHP Developer
Please feel free to contact me if you have any paid work to be done.
  #64  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 18:48
darnoldy darnoldy is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Folks-

I don't have a degree in computer sciences, I am not a php programmer, and probably never will be one--and I know that some of you think that disqualifies me from even having an opinion. But, I am a vB customer--I think a more-typical one than the coders--and I do have an opinion.

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
many of our customers do not want to use this site. They find it chaotic, unresponsive and unhelpful.
That was my initial impression--not entirely dissipated.

When I look at other software categories--whith which I am more familiar--Quark comes to mind. QuarkXPress came to dominate its market mostly because of XTensions. Without them, the software was not quite as capable as its major competitor. XTensions allowed it to be easily customized to accomodate niche markets.

Quark (IMHO) has had many assinine corporate policies--the XTension Developer program was not one. The program was easy to join. Quark promoted program members in its literature, it took them to trade shows, it gave them space on its discussion boards, it promoted the hell out of them.

As a result, not only were there many commercial XTension developers, but a community of amateur developers grew and produced many excellent free Xtensions.

Similar things can been seen around Photoshop plugins--commercial products and high-quality amateur (free) products are not mutually exclusive.

As a jelsoft customer, if i want to add to/change the functionality of vBulletin, what are my options:
  1. Study programming and Learn to code it myself--yeh, right!
  2. Ask how to on vB.com--and be told tha modifying source code is not supported and to ask on vB.org
  3. Ask here--and either be told its a stupid idea or be ignored
  4. put in a service request--and have a bunch of people, whose qualification I have no way to evaluate, pm me saying they can do it
  5. discover later that there was a commercial product I could have bought off-the-shelf that wasn't allowed to be discussed here

This place is very insular, and set up in a way that supports the needs of a small community of coders, and not the needs of a larger vB-using community. It needs (IMHO) to be opened up


--don
  #65  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 19:20
jugo jugo is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Originally Posted by KirbyDE
As already said in the other Thread:
I don't like the idea of having any commercial stuff here, be it a directory or whatever.
If this is going to happen, it might be a hard decision if I am going to stay.
But that is just my personal opinion as a User.

I totally agree.

On the other hand, I think that a directory of the type that The Geek Speaks of, would be better off in the .com site as opposed to here.
__________________
NovaWarfare.com - Bringing back the Game - http://www.NovaWarfare.com

Website Hosting - Game Server Hosting - http://www.freaks-network.com
Teamspeak Status Block for vBAdvanced / PHP-Nuke / php Include

PM me if you need hacks installed or simple template modifications...I'm cheap..
  #66  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 19:43
sabret00the's Avatar
sabret00the sabret00the is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Real name: sabe
i think it should be a seperate site vBulletin-xtns.com and it should be a review site of commercial extentions, who runs and maintains is another thing but yeah, theirs many software review sites out there, i think one for vBulletin wouldn't be a bad idea, and if one already exists, just add an official to to the front, give em a free license and call it a day
__________________
UNDER CONSTRUCTION: Confessionary Hack

Make me a Hack of The Month author: GRPS: Groups Commune
make my hacks, they'll make you famous

unless it's a security concern, please do not pm/im me for support unless you're willing to pay.
  #67  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 19:44
nexialys
Guest
 
Originally Posted by darnoldy
Folks-I don't have a degree in computer sciences, I am not a php programmer, and probably never will be one--and I know that some of you think that disqualifies me from even having an opinion. But, I am a vB customer--I think a more-typical one than the coders--and I do have an opinion.
No no, best place... you're the one to be heard, because you're the one that would use that database of information after all...

coders have their manners, they can handle complicated content and complicated communities where to discuss and share, but the client is the one to satisfy at the end...

the ones that would disqualify your opinion have no right to be here...

(btw, this is a great opinion!)
  #68  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 19:50
spence2 spence2 is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
Every site must evolve to serve the needs of its visitors. These needs are not being met currently which is why there are half a dozen style sites out there, multiple vBulletin hack resources and a disjointed collection of commercial venture sites. This all takes away from "The Ultimate vBulletin Resource".
I'm trying to follow you logic here. Could you tell me what you envision would be the fate of the sites that you mention if vB.org were to meet the needs of its visitors?

Last edited by spence2; 25 Aug 2005 at 19:54.
  #69  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 19:50
Wayne Luke's Avatar
Wayne Luke Wayne Luke is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Real name: Wayne
Originally Posted by sabret00the
i think it should be a seperate site vBulletin-xtns.com and it should be a review site of commercial extentions, who runs and maintains is another thing but yeah, theirs many software review sites out there, i think one for vBulletin wouldn't be a bad idea, and if one already exists, just add an official to to the front, give em a free license and call it a day
If it were a second site, it would be the place we (vBulletin support staff) would send customers first. With a list of add-ons and providers, we would be reasonable certain their needs would be handled. This site would be relegated to secondary status because of lack of promotion on vBulletin.com except for the links in the forum list. I mean it is in our commercial best interest that customers are satisfied as quickly as possible and for many plug and play commercial extensions will be the answer.
__________________
Wayne Luke
Get started with your own social network. Purchase and download vBulletin today.
  #70  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 19:55
Wayne Luke's Avatar
Wayne Luke Wayne Luke is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Real name: Wayne
Originally Posted by spence2
I'm trying to follow you logic here. Could you tell me what you envision would be the fate of the sites that you mention if vB.org were to meet the needs of its visitors?
I don't envision any fate. Through my idea commercial projects like vBStyles should get more business and be able to produce more products because of it. My idea will have no impact on non-commercial ventures so they will whither or prosper on their own merits. I don't see why it would have any impact. I am not talking about replacing them, just figuring out a way for customers to find them better and so that I have a better solution to common questions than go visit a search engine.
__________________
Wayne Luke
Get started with your own social network. Purchase and download vBulletin today.
  #71  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 20:07
spence2 spence2 is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
So, ultimately you do not envision independently developed commercial products being downloaded directly from this or an alternative Jelsoft supported site?

Last edited by spence2; 25 Aug 2005 at 20:15.
  #72  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 20:16
Wayne Luke's Avatar
Wayne Luke Wayne Luke is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Real name: Wayne
Originally Posted by spence2
So, ultimately you do not envision commercial products being downloaded from this or an alternative Jelsoft supported site?
At this time I do not. There is no infrastructure to support such a thing. I do envision bringing awareness to commercial endeavors to our customers. If there was the infrastructure for a commercial marketplace, it might be a different story. Such a marketplace would require much more rigorous controls on commercial addons than can be implemented at this time.
__________________
Wayne Luke
Get started with your own social network. Purchase and download vBulletin today.
  #73  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 20:23
john1744 john1744 is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
What if someone went out on there own and created a vbulletin commercial product database? Would you guys point users thataway?
  #74  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 20:30
Princeton's Avatar
Princeton Princeton is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Real name: Joe Velez
  • A certification program would be a PLUS in my book. I'll be the first to sign-up.
  • A listing to providers site is all that is needed.
    If adding products were allowed, people would just create anything to direct more hits to their site/service/products.
  • Yep, the listing should include all aspects of running a vb site. Although, I question allowing 'hosting companies' as I can see a flood of 'hosting companies trying to get listed just for the sake of it.
  • I believe an external site would be a great solution -- the goal (I think) is to provide solutions for customers in a informative way. Adding this option here will just confuse and make things harder for the customer to find what they want in a efficient manner.
__________________
Former vBulletin.org Staff Member

Latest Articles:
Liquid Layout = Less Ad Revenue?
How to Monetize Your Site
Improve Web Page Performance
How To Write For The Web


If it needs instructions, there's room for improvement.
Give users what they actually want, not what they say they want. And whatever you do, don't give them new features just because your competitors have them!
  #75  
Old 25 Aug 2005, 21:23
Guest190829
Guest
 
If you read the other thread, I bought the domain name vbulletincoders.com. Which would be a directory listing on third-party sites offering paid and/or commercial hacks to the members of vb.org. I emailed vbulletin if the use of vbulletin in the domain was allowed, and this was the response:

Dear Danny

Thank you for your e-mail.

For obvious reasons, the use of vBulletin (the word) is a sensitive issue. First and foremost, it is our trademarked product name, so any use of vBulletin (the name) is prohibited. However, there are some exceptions where we have agreed to allow the use of vBulletin (the name) such as vbulletin-fans you have identified.

That said, it appears that the role of vb.org needs to be clarified and I will look into this.

I trust that this is in order, but please let me know if you have any further queries.
So, I really didn't get any of my questions directly answered. I also asked if I weren't allowed to run such a site with the mentioned domain name, why were others allowed? (ie. Floris and www.vbulletin-fans.com)

That wasn't answered either. So, I'm quite dissapointed in the response..
Closed Thread



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 18:19.

Layout Options | Width: Wide Color: