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Old 26 Aug 2005, 01:01
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Originally Posted by Paul M
Maybe I missed something, but i thought the whole point of vb.org was for people to share hacks for FREE. I do not believe paid hacks have any place here. Simple as that to me.
I mostly agree, it is not up to Jelsoft to setup a website for others to pay for modifications to their product. I believe a simple listing (along with a user rating system perhaps?) would suffice.
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Old 26 Aug 2005, 15:40
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Originally Posted by SirAdrian
I mostly agree, it is not up to Jelsoft to setup a website for others to pay for modifications to their product. I believe a simple listing (along with a user rating system perhaps?) would suffice.
yeah but a rating/review system would prove nothing as we see with Amazon and many other shopping sites. the company/producer goes on and writes a good review for the software/book/whatever even though its completely bias.
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Old 26 Aug 2005, 16:03
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Originally Posted by AN-net
yeah but a rating/review system would prove nothing as we see with Amazon and many other shopping sites. the company/producer goes on and writes a good review for the software/book/whatever even though its completely bias.
Thats why I was suggesting that only somone that purcahses an item should be able to rate it. THat way you get away from squiffed results.

Sad thing is that I guess it would be too complicated to do (though I would argue that).
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Old 26 Aug 2005, 16:24
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Thats why I was suggesting that only somone that purcahses an item should be able to rate it. THat way you get away from squiffed results.
What would keep a company from 'buying' there own products, so they can leave a rating? It will not cost them anything, since they make the payment to themself.
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Old 26 Aug 2005, 16:28
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A rating system IMO should be a small part, we should focus on a simple listing first. If you are worried about a rating thing (which can obviously be abused) leave it out. People can go look at the product themselves and decide for themself.
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Old 26 Aug 2005, 16:30
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After having read all 7 pages of this thread....

Any type of "rating" or "comment" system would be a horrible, horrible, horrible idea. Just do a search for phrases like "portal suggestion" or "gallery suggestion", both here and at vb.com, and you can see what starts out innocently enough turns into a ugly mess. Not to mention that fact that it would introduce a factor of liability for Jelsoft if somebody was to leave false and/or libelous feedback about a product or service.

- Having a 3rd party directory of products & service providers is a good idea.

- Having either a Jelsoft certification process or a Jelsoft program that charges a fee (kind of like a "Jelsoft Partners Program") to prevent obvious spamming of links is a good idea.

- Having the directory on one of the existing vB.xxx sites is a good idea.

- Having any type of rating or comment system is a very bad idea. aranoid:

Somebody mentioned a product like vBa Links would serve the job... I agree, as long as the rating and comments options were turned off. :ermm:
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Old 26 Aug 2005, 17:23
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A simple listing of 3rd party services need not be so complicated! All that would be required is a simple disclaimer stating that Jelsoft is not affiliated and does not warranty products/services available on this list.

It's not rocket science!

Now, certification is a different thing ... with all sorts of implied warranty issues. Let's say XYZZ is certified by Jelsoft and produces a script that later is revealed to have security issues. If that script has caused anyone severe financial or other losses, it is not unreasonable to believe that Jelsoft could find itself in a legal quagmire based on it's certification (implied warranty) of XYZZ.

Why make a simple thing so all-fired complicated?

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Old 26 Aug 2005, 17:54
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Originally Posted by AN-net
yeah but a rating/review system would prove nothing as we see with Amazon and many other shopping sites. the company/producer goes on and writes a good review for the software/book/whatever even though its completely bias.
IN your example. Amazon clearly differentiates between Publisher/Editor/Critic comments and general public comments. In Amazon's case, they contact the publisher for a synopsis of the product when they post it. This sells products.

Customer reviews are listed separately and moderated.
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Old 26 Aug 2005, 18:04
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Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
IN your example. Amazon clearly differentiates between Publisher/Editor/Critic comments and general public comments. In Amazon's case, they contact the publisher for a synopsis of the product when they post it. This sells products.

Customer reviews are listed separately and moderated.
yeah but we all know that some of those reviews are fake>_>
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Old 26 Aug 2005, 21:44
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Originally Posted by spence2
Now, certification is a different thing ... with all sorts of implied warranty issues. Let's say XYZZ is certified by Jelsoft and produces a script that later is revealed to have security issues. If that script has caused anyone severe financial or other losses, it is not unreasonable to believe that Jelsoft could find itself in a legal quagmire based on it's certification (implied warranty) of XYZZ.
You're assuming too much. Just because Jelsoft "certifies" that a script (or service or anything else) goes by it's standards it doesn't assume the liability if anything goes wrong with it. It's just like Microsoft certified partners or any other companie's "Certified Partners" programs.... if the partner gets in trouble Microsoft (or whatever company) has nothing to do with it.

Personally I like the idea of either a certificiation process or at least a fee based partnership program (eg: like with Microsoft where if you become a certified partner you can display their logo, etc.) because it'll help to seperate the partners who are just trying to make a quick buck from a quickie hack versus the people who are running a business.
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Old 26 Aug 2005, 22:21
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You may be totally correct. I'm sure that Jelsoft's lawyers will best advise them.

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Old 30 Aug 2005, 03:52
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I am not gonna read the past comments as I just dont have time.

I was under the assumption that THIS site was not ran by Jelsoft. Jelsoft can not have the best of two worlds...Thats not how things work. If they want to dictate this site or be affiliated then they have to assume the liability thats involved with doing so. They are currently not accepting liability for any actions on this site nor do they support a board utilizing the hack(s) found here......

If Jelsoft wants to make the rules here of no listings of paid hacks then they need to assume liability for this site.
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Old 30 Aug 2005, 03:57
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I am pretty sure that this site IS ran by Jelsoft.
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Old 30 Aug 2005, 20:45
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Originally Posted by corriewf
I am not gonna read the past comments as I just dont have time.

I was under the assumption that THIS site was not ran by Jelsoft. Jelsoft can not have the best of two worlds...Thats not how things work. If they want to dictate this site or be affiliated then they have to assume the liability thats involved with doing so. They are currently not accepting liability for any actions on this site nor do they support a board utilizing the hack(s) found here......

If Jelsoft wants to make the rules here of no listings of paid hacks then they need to assume liability for this site.
Jelsoft does own and operate this site and no we do not have any legal obligation to support any code on this site. The site is maintained by volunteers.

The individual developers are responsible for supporting their work, if they choose to do so. Modifications to the vBulletin code are "at your own risk" as stated in the vBulletin License Agreement. The alternative is to not allow modifications to vBulletin at all. That is something we do not want to do.
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