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Old 18 Nov 2016, 00:35
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VB4.2 V VB5.2

So currently I'm running VB5.2.4 for my community, but I am seriously considering abandoning VB5 while my site is still young and developing. The main reasons for me considering the switch is mainly down to the immense lack of compatible modifications, and available themes, but also because the stability of VB5 just sucks eggs at the moment. Each update is breaking things the 3x or 4x updates never did.

My question is this.. I do like the site builder feature in VB5 which makes things much easier to arrange on your pages. Is there a large difference in what I can expect from the AdminCP, ease of mod installations, is there lots of manual template modifications required when installing VB4 mods? What core functionality will I lose/gain from going from VB5 to VB4?

Does the coding community here see any sudden upsurge in their desire to start focusing of VB5 over VB4? Or should we expect VB4 to remain the priority as long as the current VB coding team maintain their current direction?
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Old 18 Nov 2016, 18:38
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Have you tried vB4? You might want to try the demo just to see how it differs from vB5.

http://www.vbulletin.com/en/vb4-trial/
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Old 18 Nov 2016, 18:56
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You can't downgrade vB5 to vB4 so you would have to start over if you switch to vB4. Or find someone who had somehow done it.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=306412
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum...rom-vb5-to-vb4
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Old 18 Nov 2016, 19:23
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The typical method for downgrading to vb4 is to import db into IP board ver 3x, then migrate to vb4 from there. Passwords would need to be reset by users. There's someone doing it for small change but I don't remember who. I built the vb4 database from scratch once using my site's database. It worked fine, but I will never do that again.
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Old 18 Nov 2016, 19:28
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Replicant you cracking me up lol.. I can only imagine how long that took!

noypiscripter, if you remember who was doing that please let me know. I will pay a small fee for anyone who could offer this service so that I can keep my members database, but other than that I am pulling strongly towards just starting from scratch with VB4.

--------------- Added 18 Nov 2016 at 19:44 ---------------

Ok after taking a 10 minute spin with the VB4 Demo as per Lynne' suggestion, I am more shocked than ever over what VB5 offers in comparison. It seems to me that VB5 is a giant step backwards in terms of available functionality. Simple features in VB4 like the Calendar system, Promote posts to articles/blogs, ad placement (yes i know that VB5 has ad modules), URL rewrite etc.. I could literally go on for another few paragraphs on this...

So it looks like I need to make plans to go to VB4.
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Old 18 Nov 2016, 19:52
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noypiscripter, if you remember who was doing that please let me know. I will pay a small fee for anyone who could offer this service so that I can keep my members database, but other than that I am pulling strongly towards just starting from scratch with VB4.
Read the threads I linked. Both contain info on who did the downgrade before.
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Old 18 Nov 2016, 20:34
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I believe you can do as Replicant mentioned and then use the following info to reset passwords.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=243919

I would suggest creating a test site and doing the import there as to not impact your current site.
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Old 18 Nov 2016, 20:46
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Thanks Glenn, I read those threads. I'm just going to start again with VB4 once I get the VB4 version of my custom theme. And I'm also going to need to replace the VB5 mods I bought from you, with VB4 versions
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Old 19 Nov 2016, 01:39
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Originally Posted by Ashlar217 View Post
Simple features in VB4 like the Calendar system, Promote posts to articles/blogs, ad placement (yes i know that VB5 has ad modules), URL rewrite etc.. I could literally go on for another few paragraphs on this...
I had a whole post written up with my opinion on vb4 vs vb5, but I'm not going there. No need to start a pissing match. Have fun and I wish you the best with your site.
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Old 19 Nov 2016, 02:03
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Thank you Replicant. I think it's safe to assume most people think I'm probably making a wise move.
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Old 19 Nov 2016, 11:20
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For new sites I actually do recommend vB5, UNLESS you are looking to have a heavily modified site, in which case it needs to be vB4.

There are not that many 'major' add-ons for vB5, though the number of 'mini-mods' is slowly increasing. It won't ever reach the levels of vB4 though, mainly because it's much harder to modify.

Also remember that some external stuff in vB4 is gradually breaking - notably Facebook integration, because Facebook move the goalposts every few months and vB4 is no longer being updated with those kind of changes. I fully expect PayPal might end up the same way at some point, if it hasn't already (I don't use PayPal so can't be sure). There's also some minor niggles with the editor in some browsers but that can be worked round quite easily.
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Old 19 Nov 2016, 15:21
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Over three years and there is nothing.


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Old 19 Nov 2016, 15:46
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I've always been of the mindset that the default core software needs to serve the intended purpose. Purchasing software because of third party modifications is asking for trouble. Once a developer moves on from supporting a product you are stuck with any of the risks inherent to outdated software, including but not limited to script errors and security risks.

Don't get me wrong. I like some of the add ons and modifications a great deal. But I could strip every damn one of them from every site I own and still function perfectly well. Bells and whistles don't keep members around unless that's all a site has to offer. If that is the case they aren't around long.

I've been doing this for twenty-five years and, in my experience, the forums that last are those with substance over style. vB5 allows compete customization of the substance of a site without the time-consuming development of manual custom pages. If I were starting from scratch that would be my choice. If I were working with an existing site I would advise members not to get too comfortable with outdated software. vB4 is almost seven years old. That's an eternity in software development.
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Old 19 Nov 2016, 16:25
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For new sites I actually do recommend vB5, UNLESS you are looking to have a heavily modified site, in which case it needs to be vB4.

There are not that many 'major' add-ons for vB5, though the number of 'mini-mods' is slowly increasing. It won't ever reach the levels of vB4 though, mainly because it's much harder to modify.

Also remember that some external stuff in vB4 is gradually breaking - notably Facebook integration, because Facebook move the goalposts every few months and vB4 is no longer being updated with those kind of changes. I fully expect PayPal might end up the same way at some point, if it hasn't already (I don't use PayPal so can't be sure). There's also some minor niggles with the editor in some browsers but that can be worked round quite easily.
That's when modders take over and update it themselves. :^)
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Old 19 Nov 2016, 22:51
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Biggest mistake I made was upgrading to VB5

Lost members I've had for fifteen years and the addon development actually sux. I personally like 5 better the 4, but it became a yawner for its lack of features to the members. Once active boards are virtually dead.

Looks like there will be three licenses for sale cheap in near future.
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