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Old 25 Oct 2007, 01:14
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Originally Posted by Brad View Post
There are a lack of people willing to teach, there are a lack of people willing to learn. Both groups have a hard time hearing each other over all the noise.

Fixed the above problems and you'll find the community will take care of itself.

In summary, the problem is not with just one group. We're a community and will benefit or pay the consequences as a whole. Well said, Brad.
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Old 25 Oct 2007, 02:06
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Originally Posted by MPDev View Post
I would suggest that it is mostly because of posts like this. When you are a coder, it's one thing to share your code with others who give back to you; but when a huge population of people have nothing to offer and need constant hand holding to install even the most simple of mods, well, it's get old real quick.

vB.org was active when there was a strong community of developers feeding off of each other; now it's a huge portal for people wanting to update their software with "free" stuff and then demanding support because they don't have a clue or are unwilling to spend even a few minutes trying to figure out their own problem.

After a while even the most die hard of coders gives up and just codes for themselves thinking "why bother".
I have to agree with this and the comments by Inferno Tech. I worked with internet phone support and got traumatized, so I can't stand giving support nowadays. Questions can get pretty surprising, and I just don't have the patience (sue me). I find it funny that here in vb.org some people demand support, expect support to a FREE code that is provided. And if I don't reply to the questions about my mods, no one ever does. Most people don't help each other, they just come to the mod thread and ask their stuff then go away. I try to help most nice people with problems though, if I have the time, but I don't officially support modifications. Don't get me started with insane feature requests...

As for mod release activity, most mods released nowadays require weeks of coding, and that's good. Back when 3.5 and plugins was out, everyone was excited making quick mods (myself included), and the release activity was high. I think this things are related, bigger mods coming out now takes more time to code than the mini mods people used to do. It took me two or three weeks to make my radio and TV add-on, which had 50 installs in the first day

Also in my defense of not supporting my mods, I make them usually for myself to use, share them for FREE and now I allow ANYONE to re-use the code of any of my mods to release their own versions of it. So now other people might re-release my mods and make a better job at supporting them than me. And I'm hoping that happens, and I think it is pretty cool. This could create a healthy open-source sub-community here that would help everyone, each one doing the job (coding, support) they want to do. I know I don't want to do support, but I want to share the mods I make for myself with others.

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Stupid plugins and products took all the fun away from actually "hacking!"

I am just joking, please don't kill me :P.
*shoots bigcurt* :P

edit: Dream's wall of text crits you for 10000 damage. You die.
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Old 25 Oct 2007, 07:17
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*shoots bigcurt* :P

edit: Dream's wall of text crits you for 10000 damage. You die.

Please never make a WoW reference again or I will be forced to kill myself with a crit :P.
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Old 26 Oct 2007, 15:36
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My license Just expire Today i will be thinking either way to Renew it or Move to IPB or phpBB .....
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Old 27 Oct 2007, 07:11
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Personally, I'm THRILLED with the mods that are out there for vBulletin. There are some very exciting, very effective tools to make a forum a better place to be. I've nothing but program php all year so I realize just how tough it can be to make a system work for everyone. It's very difficult to please everyone.

I was into SMF for a while. There were some good mods, but it wasn't even close to what I experienced when I made the switch to vBulletin about a year ago. People can pretend that other forums are perfect, but what they really mean is there is one particular mod already written for that script and they refuse to pay someone to write it for them.

Maybe the time they waste switching forum scripts could be better used to serve their community or work with developers to get their mod (either free or paid).

Thank you to everyone who donates their time to make vBulletin even better!

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Old 27 Oct 2007, 19:12
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Iam trying to find a website where i can find paid Mod/hack i could not find anyone other then vba.com and vbhacks.com is there any other then this 2 ?
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Old 27 Oct 2007, 19:28
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Iam trying to find a website where i can find paid Mod/hack i could not find anyone other then vba.com and vbhacks.com is there any other then this 2 ?
Could you name what your looking for?
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Old 27 Oct 2007, 20:33
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Since you are no longer licenced, I fail to see why you need such a site.
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Old 27 Oct 2007, 21:08
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should be a section where the paid for hacks can be displayed - sort of catalogue what is out there with a link to the relevant site for more info etc.
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Old 27 Oct 2007, 23:18
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Hello.

Vb.org is not Active like b4 .... i remember Everyday New Hack is posted now i think it need week or so ... I Find in IPB /IZE is more active then here even phpBB ... So What happen ?
I myself have released a dozen free mods, and coded another handful for clients in the last 2 months. I wouldn't call that inactive.

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Since you are no longer licenced, I fail to see why you need such a site.
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Old 28 Oct 2007, 03:31
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Since you are no longer licenced, I fail to see why you need such a site.
So , i'am thinking to renew my account iam just looking for some intersting product like photopost.com /vbadvanced.com / vbcredit.com this is the only site i found so far .... and if there is some more site then Post them here thanks...

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Old 28 Oct 2007, 10:49
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Old 29 Oct 2007, 20:04
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I'm new but I have been very frustrated by people who won't help themselves for a something that's free. Its like saying..."here is a free bowl of candy, all you have to do is come get it"

and the reply being..."What?!!? you can't bring it to me?"

Its terrible.

I have said a bunch of times that people should just read the thread. I don't care how busy you are, take the time and it will answer most of your questions.

I see people all the time say something like..."does this work with 3.5.6? I don't have time to read the thread"

Its just lazy. I don't blame coders for not wanting to put up with it. Turns a gift into something that is a constant problem
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Old 29 Oct 2007, 21:24
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Do you have any unanswered questions? Even experienced vBulletin users don't reply your questions, the vB.org staff is always spending their time to answer the questions or solving the problems.

We, the coders, have 'another' life. Not every time we can update our mods or produce something. Sometimes while I'm walking I think what can I do for vBulletin administrators to have it in their forums. But as many many things have been coded, not much things are produced. This is like questions. You cannot ask the answered questions. You may not know, this is so normal, but humans experience same things in their life. So think that and try to search the answer because it's in somewhere. It has to be.

If everything were free, there'd be no meaning of living for humans. To have something we pay what it is worth. This is not just money. Sometimes even we pay with our lives. If you feel pitty for paying for the mods you requested which you can found on other forum softwares' support sites, why have you paid for vBulletin as you can use a free software? This is a contradiction.
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Old 30 Oct 2007, 11:53
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Originally Posted by MPDev View Post
I would suggest that it is mostly because of posts like this. When you are a coder, it's one thing to share your code with others who give back to you; but when a huge population of people have nothing to offer and need constant hand holding to install even the most simple of mods, well, it's get old real quick.

vB.org was active when there was a strong community of developers feeding off of each other; now it's a huge portal for people wanting to update their software with "free" stuff and then demanding support because they don't have a clue or are unwilling to spend even a few minutes trying to figure out their own problem.

After a while even the most die hard of coders gives up and just codes for themselves thinking "why bother".
Pretty much. I personally haven't encountered anything like as high a percentage of ungrateful users as this thread makes it sound, but of course it happens. And equally the same bad attitude, while equally rare, is noticably not restricted to non-coders either.

Paul M said that 150 users join per day, how many of those are coders? A tiny percentage no doubt. vb.org is inevitably a victim of its own success. And it is a success. 150 new users daily is no small figure. The quality of some of the modifications/design on here is terrific even if (again, probably inevitably) some of the top class move on to greater things. I don't think there are fewer coders or fewer good modifications or anything like that. It's just that the demographics have shifted considerably.

Surely the real question is what can be done about it? Because if that is the cause - and there seems little disagreement that it is - then the trend will only continue in the same direction. Especially since as the userbase expands, modifications will receive even more posts and support requests and so on, polite or otherwise, and will become even more difficult to deal with.
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