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Old 20 Jun 2014, 01:00
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Got it, nice.
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Old 20 Jun 2014, 09:28
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does have a bloated database [...]

It just is what it is.
You see - you already claimed that. I asked you to elaborate. Just repeating the claim and adding a non-statement like "it is what it is" makes me think you have no point to make at all there.

Given the database of vB3 and vB4 is pretty much identical apart from CMS and blog tables - no surprise there, really.
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Old 20 Jun 2014, 09:38
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Starting to look like Facts are fiction. I still think vB4 Feels great
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Old 20 Jun 2014, 15:51
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I guess the real issue is that some folks view vBulletin as an end product and get upset when it doesn't do exactly what they want it to do while others view vBulletin as a starting point and a good development tool.

It's like buying a new car and getting mad because the radio is not programmed for your favorite stations while others will read the manual and learn how to program it for themselves.

I purchased the full package including CMS and branding free option. I really didn't care for CMS so I only use it as a tool to create the CMS widget (the one on the left on my site - the right is a forum block widget). I then added some code for the fade out and collapse functions and a plugin to allow the CMS widget to be available on almost all the pages in my site. Now I have dual multifunctional collapsible widgets on most pages which is something vBulletin does not come with.

The point I'm trying to make is if you can code then change the package to do whatever you want it to do. If you can't code then accept it as it is or pay someone to change it. Complaining about it all day long will change nothing except your standing in these forums.
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Old 20 Jun 2014, 17:09
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Originally Posted by cellarius View Post
You see - you already claimed that. I asked you to elaborate. Just repeating the claim and adding a non-statement like "it is what it is" makes me think you have no point to make at all there.

Given the database of vB3 and vB4 is pretty much identical apart from CMS and blog tables - no surprise there, really.
Except, they're not pretty much identical. v4 has many more tables and a much larger size of db, mainly due to all the "new" features in it that are actually ports of Mods and plugins that were made for v3. And it's clunky.
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Old 20 Jun 2014, 17:10
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There's too many "Disco" people in here! Disco is dead, didn't you know?

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Old 20 Jun 2014, 17:16
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Originally Posted by Disco_Dave View Post
Starting to look like Facts are fiction. I still think vB4 Feels great
And you seem to dismiss all the hard work you had to do to make your v4 perform almost as well as a v3 does. And seem to have forgotten what a terrible performer it was. The facts are the facts. v4 is bloated - vast difference between the file sizes of the packages after you download them from the members area and unzip them. v4 is almost twice the size of v3, and for no apparent reason. It's just reality.
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Old 20 Jun 2014, 17:24
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OK, I think we've gone around in circles enough. To everyone who's posted, if you can't post without simply repeating what you've already said, then please don't post again. We could go back and forth forever with "yes it is, not it isn't", but it's not constructive. Getting the last word doesn't make you right.
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Old 20 Jun 2014, 19:17
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Originally Posted by Max Taxable View Post
Except, they're not pretty much identical. v4 has many more tables and a much larger size of db, mainly due to all the "new" features in it that are actually ports of Mods and plugins that were made for v3. And it's clunky.
Please show me where the forum itself has "many more tables". As I said: If we are fair, we're looking at forum only. There was no CMS in vB3, blog was an addon. We can count that in, but we will see that there has not been much change there, either. You would also have to show how a larger number of tables in a database per se is bad for performance, and how whatever difference there is between the empty database sizes affects performance.

You're still refusing to offer even the slightest hint of an argument. Or was that nonsense about the addons meant to be an argument? Then my question is: How, in your opinion, would an empty database table of such a feature hurt performance, if you don't use that functionality? Mind you, if you do use it, you'd have the same table in vB3.
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Old 20 Jun 2014, 19:40
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Trying to get the "last word" is soooo childish ..... WORD
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Old 20 Jun 2014, 20:30
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Trying to get the "last word" is soooo childish ..... WORD
My money is on the mod who closes this thread will get the last word.
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My money is on the mod who closes this thread will get the last word.
You win.
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