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Old 19 Mar 2005, 18:20
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The problem is in the past, alot of other people (I won't be specific here) have stolen code and repulished it at their own on varius vBulletin fan sites.
Ah, and so vb.org is the only place where this never happens (looking at the gloriole on vb.org community)? Where do you think all the repulished hacks on the net are coming from when vb.org is the only place to get the hacks? *wondering*
In the past there were no cars, no TVs and no computers. People are hunting with bows in the woods What is this comparison about?

And it seems to me that you are burning a path to your goal at the moment without stoping to care who that fire might hit.
I (for myself) will not translate and a hack if the author doesn't want me to. See also my posting @ vb-germany. There are a lot of discussions on vb-germany in this thread where "problems" that some of you mentioned are actually discussed.

If you provide a direct link to the file, 9 out of 10 users downloading the file wouldn't even know of the existance of the install button
Where did you get this quota from?
Do you think the quota is higher here on vb.org? Maybe 5/10 but who knows? Who tells you that all users clicking on "Install" really installed the hack? Where can I click on "Uninstall" when I uninstalled a hack? Who prevents users not having installed the hack on clicking the Install button? . . .
The Install-button is a nice feature, nothing more, nothing less. You can make no solid conclusions out of a Install-quota.

I think the popularity of a hack is count on posts in support threads and not by clicking on an "Install" button.

the best way to start building the bridge. is not to create an entirely new website, but to ask Xenon to create a German support forum on vbulletin.org.
Xenon has still mentioned this point before: http://www.vbulletin-germany.com/for...44&postcount=8
He mentioned it within the vb.org team but Chen and Erwin didn't want to have such a german part in vb.org. See here.
So there has to be an new website, cause vb.org is not supporting a german part under vb.org. He also mentioned that he will support such a german hack support forum, when it is offically supported.

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Old 19 Mar 2005, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Dean C
The problem with that is moderation...
german moderators, can't be that hard to find them, since there is an official german vb site

Originally Posted by Hellraider
I think the popularity of a hack is count on posts in support threads and not by clicking on an "Install" button.
no that shows how many bugs there are sometimes
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 18:32
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no that shows how many bugs there are sometimes
A support thread shows the popularity of a hack more than an "Install" button quota where everybody can click on but do not have to click on when using a hack.

And you think that (only) german-speaking users have no rights on support by other users cause the author can't speak german? The author can't or do not want to support only-german-speaking users so he should be thankful that other users supportting his hack. You said for yourself that there are sometimes many bugs within the hacks.

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Old 19 Mar 2005, 18:35
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I think the popularity of a hack is count on posts in support threads and not by clicking on an "Install" button.
No, that shows the following;
The age of the thread; the older the thread, the more replies
The bugs in the hack; If the hack is one big bughole, loads of people are going to reply to say so.

The number of installs shows if a hack is liked or not. If I like a hack, and think its a good one, I click install, even though I might not use it, my click might just get that hack into the HOTM.

The install button now isn't that much of a measure, but when you would just provide direct links to the downloads, 3/4th of the German speaking community wouldn't know of the install button's existance, so they won't click it.

If that happens, you might aswell just remove the install button, as there will be way more actuall installations rather than install clicks.
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 18:41
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So tell me other possibilities to support non-english-speaking users when vb.org did not want to build a german forum within vb.org and we are not pleased to start a new german speaking support forum.

Linking to an english forum is no acceptable conclusion for non-english-speaking users.
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 18:42
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Originally Posted by Hellraider
A support thread shows the popularity of a hack more than an "Install" button quota where everybody can click on but do not have to click on when using a hack.

And you think that (only) german-speaking users have no rights on support by other users cause the author can't speak german? The author can't or do not want to support only-german-speaking users so he should be thankful that other users supportting his hack. You said for yourself that there are sometimes many bugs within the hacks.
i have also seen posts in a hack thread of

"this is the worst hack ever created"

so that also shows the popularity?????



EDIT: Hellraider did you ask Xenon or Erwin (i forget which one owns the site) if they would create a german support forum?
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 18:57
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Originally Posted by Hellraider
So tell me other possibilities to support non-english-speaking users when vb.org did not want to build a german forum within vb.org and we are not pleased to start a new german speaking support forum.

Linking to an english forum is no acceptable conclusion for non-english-speaking users.
What I would suggest is the following:

Code, or let a hack be coded which does this:
It combines the link to the file and the link to install in 1 link.
In other words, when the member downloads the program, he automaticly "clicks" install.

And I say again, if vbhacks-germany will really become an official Jelsoft sister company, a lot of people would allow their hacks to be released there.

@eva01_ Yes, he asked Xenon, he liked it, but Erwin didn't.
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 18:57
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Originally Posted by Deaths
That's a very good aruement nullified, but I find Revan's better.

Phrasing a hack takes a lot of time, way more than it would take to simply not phrase the hack.
Tell me about it, phrasing (even the partial one I do now) is a pain
But I am still going to get the entire hack fully phrased, even if it is the last thing I do!

Originally Posted by Deaths
No, that shows the following;
The age of the thread; the older the thread, the more replies
The bugs in the hack; If the hack is one big bughole, loads of people are going to reply to say so.

The number of installs shows if a hack is liked or not. If I like a hack, and think its a good one, I click install, even though I might not use it, my click might just get that hack into the HOTM.

The install button now isn't that much of a measure, but when you would just provide direct links to the downloads, 3/4th of the German speaking community wouldn't know of the install button's existance, so they won't click it.

If that happens, you might aswell just remove the install button, as there will be way more actuall installations rather than install clicks.
Noone seems to have brought it to attention that it is fully possible to hijack the install button.
I myself have done this in my RPG installer file, and they could do it for vbhacks-germany.de

Not to mention the possibility of manually recreating the install function, Im sure Xenon would not be a stubborn bastard if an official Jelsoft site in his mother tongue asked if they could have his Install button hack


EDIT: As a guy who wants tons of install clicks for his hack, I like this suggestion.
The issue, however, would be these:
a) Databases. Im pretty sure it doesn't store hack installs flatfile. If the members no dot speak english, Im sure they haven't registered here at vBorg
b) Update Emails. They would recieve lots of English update emails...

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Old 19 Mar 2005, 19:01
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Noone seems to have brought it to attention that it is fully possible to hijack the install button.
I did, in my last post .

Not to mention the possibility of manually recreating the install function
I'm creating one right now. It won't be a public release, but it's not that hard.

I don't like the idea of vbhacks-germany having their own install system, as its kinda useless for the coders, as they probably never even visit vbhacks-germany.

EDIT:
EDIT: As a guy who wants tons of install clicks for his hack, I like this suggestion.
The issue, however, would be these:
a) Databases. Im pretty sure it doesn't store hack installs flatfile. If the members no dot speak english, Im sure they haven't registered here at vBorg
b) Update Emails. They would recieve lots of English update emails...
Very true, those problems exist.
But, I guess if vbh-g will become a sister company, a solution can easily be found.
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 19:11
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Originally Posted by Deaths
I did, in my last post .
Meh, you lucked out by like 5 secs before my statement would have been valid. Sneaky bastard


Originally Posted by Deaths
I'm creating one right now. It won't be a public release, but it's not that hard.
Unless they are running a pirate board, such a hack don't have all that many uses to the general public (that I can think of)

Originally Posted by Deaths
I don't like the idea of vbhacks-germany having their own install system, as its kinda useless for the coders, as they probably never even visit vbhacks-germany.
True. I would possibly visit my thread just to check the install count, but it looks much better if it is merged with this one

Originally Posted by Deaths
Very true, those problems exist.
But, I guess if vbh-g will become a sister company, a solution can easily be found.
I already have a couple of suggestions:
  • Allow remote connection to the SQL, and create a seperate mysql_connect() for the install click file on .de
  • if that is too big of a security hole, create a new DB, have a seperate mysql_connect() to this DB, then have a cronjob here at .org that, every 24h or so, fetches all the install clicks from the new db, and merges it with this one.
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I believe the update email issue will solve itself if it only merges the COUNT, not the actual USERNAMES from .de
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There may of course exist a hella easier way of doing it. but meh. I just like to post here, ok!? So sue me!
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Revan
Meh, you lucked out by like 5 secs before my statement would have been valid. Sneaky bastard
Heh, I'm smooth .

Unless they are running a pirate board, such a hack don't have all that many uses to the general public (that I can think of)
You just want my hack released don't you :ninja:

True. I would possibly visit my thread just to check the install count, but it looks much better if it is merged with this one
I would surely check it, heh.
It would look a lot better + it helps in HotM

There may of course exist a hella easier way of doing it. but meh. I just like to post here, ok!? So sue me!
You install and post horny bastard! PERVERT!

Heh.
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 19:49
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Originally Posted by Revan
Unless they are running a pirate board, such a hack don't have all that many uses to the general public (that I can think of)
Who is running a "Pirate Board" ???? :ninja: :surprised:
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 20:46
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i have also seen posts in a hack thread of

"this is the worst hack ever created"

so that also shows the popularity?????
Yes, exactly, because this user has once installed the hack. If he likes the hack or not isn't the point.

Hellraider did you ask Xenon or Erwin (i forget which one owns the site) if they would create a german support forum?
I did not ask Xenon about this. He told this in the above mentioned thread that he would speak to Chen and Erwin.

a) Databases. Im pretty sure it doesn't store hack installs flatfile. If the members no dot speak english, Im sure they haven't registered here at vBorg
b) Update Emails. They would recieve lots of English update emails...
THX Revan. Other good points "against" linking to vb.org

Very true, those problems exist.
Thanks for your agreement Deaths


@all: This thread has been started to get tips on running a german speaking hack support forum AND NOT on getting an install button included within vbhacks-germany
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Old 19 Mar 2005, 22:35
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Originally Posted by redlabour
Who is running a "Pirate Board" ???? :ninja: :surprised:
Are you the "general public"????

Originally Posted by Hellraider
THX Revan. Other good points "against" linking to vb.org
Erm hm. If you think that my recongnition of the problems with getting the install function to count on vBorg was an argument for not linking to vBorg, then... meh I will keep my comments to myself... (they would probably be censored anyways)
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 00:02
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And it seems to me that you are burning a path to your goal at the moment without stoping to care who that fire might hit.

I agree with Zachery.


IMO, it's a good idea to translate hacks for customers who don't understand english, but support isn't that easy when you are not the coder of the hack.

On vbulletin-fr (just an example, don't want to discuss about our site) we publish translated hacks (with permission of course) and I noticed that it's a bit difficult to help people (especially when there are only two coders in the team). Of course we translate hacks which seem to be bugs-free but it's not always the case. I'm not the author of this site, but I think I will remove in the future many hacks in order to be more efficient

@Hellraider.

Maybe you should ask german coder first and BTW create a german vb hack community which wouldn't be dependant of vb.org. There are many german coders (more than french I suppose, they are too lazy), ask them
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